Panopticon Poll - Page 3

Margaret Pilkington · 09-04-2005, 17:55

A-B, I was only thinking that last night.

chav1 · 09-04-2005, 22:03

while we are all kept occupied with meetings and polls they are moving the diggers into position as we debate it lol

WillowTheWhisp · 09-04-2005, 22:34

Please tell me you are joking! How dare they!

Doug · 09-04-2005, 22:56

He's Joking willow. What ever happens you have to remember that the Coppice was given to the town. You could keep HBC in court for years if they try to do this without the consent of the town’s people. You need an official objection put in place and push for a public enquiry to establish if HBC have the right to do this. Think on nothing as happened up there for near on 100 years?

WillowTheWhisp · 09-04-2005, 23:21

So how do you account for the trees and the A56 slicing through the back?

Doug · 09-04-2005, 23:52

I meant on a localised structural level. The trees are a mistake there is no doubt about that, but they only cling to the side of the hill willow and remain superfical, they aren’t changing the shape or nature of the plateau, the Panopticon will be a construction and will change the surface?

The road skirts the lower reaches of the landscape and is not actually on the coppice. I went up Fern Gore today to get a perspective on the view point of the coppice that I grew up with. All I could see was bloody trees. When I grew up in Accrington the coppice was almost barren moorland, it’s still very much untouched on top. What I always remembered and was disappointed not to be able to see was what we called her scar. That in itself was like a beacon whatever the weather.

chav1 · 10-04-2005, 00:31

when you say her scar do you mean what i know as teh spread eagle shape formed from where the clay soil is exposed..?

i sugested restoring that but it fell on deaf ears lol

Doug · 10-04-2005, 00:46

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Originally Posted by chav1

when you say her scar do you mean what i know as teh spread eagle shape formed from where the clay soil is exposed..?

i sugested restoring that but it fell on deaf ears lol

I did, and I agree with you Chav, if it's possible it should be restored. I fear that the trees roots will have caused irreplaceable damage now; however an archeological survey might pick out a trace of the original face but that would be bloody expensive. When they planted trees up there they eradicate generations of memories. However, if you look at photographs over the years it does change.

chav1 · 10-04-2005, 01:52

the coppice already had a natural feature that could be seen for miles they should have left it alone and saved thousands

WillowTheWhisp · 10-04-2005, 08:53

Very well said Chav. They should have simply let nature have control.

Gayle · 10-04-2005, 09:30

Nothing can go on the Coppice until it has been approved by planning permission - so please don't go scare mongering and saying the diggers are already up there because they aren't.

There has been nothing said about this subject for a week or so because an embargo has been put on it all until after the elections. A certain politician, who it must be said, is not wholeheartedly in favour of the idea, doesn't want it to become a political issue in the run up to the elections.

Finally, I just want to dispute the fact that nothing has been done up there for the last 100 years. The trenches were built during the second world war which is around 65 years ago. I know people have argued that they were built as training trenches for the Accrington Pals but enough people have come forward to dispute that and to say that there was actually a football pitch up there in between the wars.

cashman · 10-04-2005, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Gayle Knight

Nothing can go on the Coppice until it has been approved by planning permission - so please don't go scare mongering and saying the diggers are already up there because they aren't.

There has been nothing said about this subject for a week or so because an embargo has been put on it all until after the elections. A certain politician, who it must be said, is not wholeheartedly in favour of the idea, doesn't want it to become a political issue in the run up to the elections.

Finally, I just want to dispute the fact that nothing has been done up there for the last 100 years. The trenches were built during the second world war which is around 65 years ago. I know people have argued that they were built as training trenches for the Accrington Pals but enough people have come forward to dispute that and to say that there was actually a football pitch up there in between the wars.

i took it as a joke gayle,should imagine so did most.

Doug · 10-04-2005, 10:03

I think I said near on a 100 years Gayle. I also indicated that I was referring to structures of localised construction. That is to say building upwards and outwards, not down. What was done 95, 65, or 25 years ago belong to history and make up what the coppice is day, what many people want to achieve is future preservation of that history. I have heard of a football field up there although I wouldn’t have thought that they would have played many games with the winds up there. But this is part of my point? The Second World War trench systems obliterated most if not all of the Pals training trenches and the same will happen with the Panopticon, it will be a construction and it will change the surface forever.

chav1 · 10-04-2005, 11:44

the diggers comment was a joke although i have seen aliens up there

WillowTheWhisp · 12-04-2005, 13:40

Out of curiosity and because I thought you probably could, we went up the A56 as far as the roundabout in order to come back down again and look at the Coppice from the road. Apart from a stretch where there are a few sad bushes by the roadshire you get quite a good view of "Panopticonland" as you drive by without having to go to all the trouble of climbing up hills you might not be able to see it from.

Not that this means I'm in favour of the thing you understand, it just means that at least it could be seen from somewhere accessible to disabled people with vehicles.

At this point we began to muse that as there is already a gentle slope and a fair bit of land doing not-a-lot at the bottom it could theoretically be possible to have a "Panopticon Car Park" there and if the path was improved it might even, just might, be possible to push a wheelchair or pram up the slope, maybe. Don't know how they'd get on when they get to the top though because it's still very wild rough grass up there.