Panopticons - Page 2

chav1 · 15-03-2005, 14:45

for all we know purplelass could work for the project and be here trying to change our minds on behalf of the idiots that thought this crap up

sorry but your view or should i say your change of heart would have been more validated if you had been a member here for a while and hated it then went to the meeting and changed your mind

new members suddenly appearing praising this crap just makes me think oh yeah whats the chances of this been someone who works on the project or has somthing to do with it hoping to change our minds so we agree to having some piece of crap stuck on our coppice

parranoia rules :-)

2 new members to accy web both went to this meeting on saturday and both members felt the urge to log onto accy web and tell us how they had seen the error of their ways and that it was a good idea and we too must now be in favor of defacing our coppice

Cjay and purplelass are either working on the project or related to britcliff lol

Margaret Pilkington · 15-03-2005, 15:09

Purplelass is entitled to her opinion, but then so are all of us on this site. I too, would like to have a decent town. There is no guarantee that these so called artworks will bring money into the town......it is just a possibility. Personally, I think it will take much, much more to get visitors into the town. There has been a lack of investment for many years. I think that if you come into town along Blackburn Road (Curry Mile) it is a very depressing vista that I wouldn't want out of towners to see.
The town Centre is a shambles. It has been mooted that Broadway was going to be tarted up, no sign of it so far. So if you want to cheer on the Panopticons, that is your choice.... but not mine......and yes I did attend the meeting!

chav1 · 15-03-2005, 15:18

i agree everyone is entitled to their opinion i was just pointing out the suspicious circumstances around 2 new members claiming they had seen the light and were now behind the project

was more of a paranoid joke if you will but ime a suspicious person by nature and when i saw 2 new members praising the project yet not been here previously posting about their lack of enthusiasm for it my spidy sense started tingleing

PurpleLass · 15-03-2005, 15:21

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington]Personally, I think it will take much, much more to get visitors into the town. There has been a lack of investment for many years. I think that if you come into town along Blackburn Road (Curry Mile) it is a very depressing vista that I wouldn't want out of towners to see.
The town Centre is a shambles. QUOTE]

I agree wholeheartedly with you. I think there's tons of stuff needs doing in and around the area. No one says that the Panopticons are a quick fix.

Tealeaf · 15-03-2005, 15:29

You have every reason to feel concern, Chav. One now gets the impression that there is an underhand campaign of disinformation now being undertaken by the powers that be....all the evidence is there, from new members popping on here saying the panopticon is the best thing since nooky through to subtle reporting in the local press of how attendees at the meeting were 'won over' by the concept.

I am afraid to say there are sinister, dark forces at work here.

PurpleLass · 15-03-2005, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

I am afraid to say there are sinister, dark forces at work here.

Paranoid or what? I only came on because I was looking for more websites with background info on and this forum site popped up. Thought free speech was still allowed in this country?

Doug · 15-03-2005, 15:51

I’m neither for nor against this idea at this moment in time, if we are to have a modern folly then lets have one that reflects the heritage of Accrington and her people, not some soft bollocks dressed up as modern art. I was in Accy today. First up Burnley Road where resurfacing work as in some places exposed the intact cobble sets. A bit of history coming to the surface.

I went around town for an hour or so and didn’t see much really, choice is very limited and the streets, although not as mucky then they have been on previous visits, it wasn’t brilliant to see. I saw the same girl on three separate occasions mopping the floor in the Arndale Centre with a proper mop no less. What happened to the street cleaning machine that was there a few weeks back?

I still love this town, today I’ve been in Church, Accy Town Centre, up Fern Gore and over to Clayton le Moors. I wasn’t impressed with all I saw, Blackburn road was terribly rundown like you say Margaret. If money is to be spent, real investment that is, then please start in the centre and work your way out towards the boundaries. Put something back in to the heart of Accrington before you dress her up like a tart.

Tealeaf · 15-03-2005, 15:55

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Originally Posted by PurpleLass

Paranoid or what? I only came on because I was looking for more websites with background info on and this forum site popped up. Thought free speech was still allowed in this country?

May I ask.....background info on what?

Of course, free speech is still allowed - although not in connection with the ethnics, in case they get upset.

Bazf · 15-03-2005, 15:58

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PurpleLass · 15-03-2005, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

May I ask.....background info on what?

Of course, free speech is still allowed - although not in connection with the ethnics, in case they get upset.

A Panopticon for Hyndburn of course. I was searching for Accrington sites and general information on the scheme (I like to be fully informed before I weigh into a debate) and stumbled on this one, along with Accrington Observer's and HBC's.

Bazf · 15-03-2005, 16:04

But after going to one meeting you were conviced that it was the best thing for Accrington, if only websites could talk.

Tealeaf · 15-03-2005, 16:11

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Originally Posted by PurpleLass

A Panopticon for Hyndburn of course. I was searching for Accrington sites and general information on the scheme (I like to be fully informed before I weigh into a debate) and stumbled on this one, along with Accrington Observer's and HBC's.

And your very first thread and posting is all in favour of the Panopticon? Sounds to me like going to court and beginning with the verdict, then having the trial.

Welcome to Accy web, by the way!!

dillon · 15-03-2005, 16:16

Ahh, Panopticons. The very idea gets people as emotional as anything else I have ever seen discussed on these pages. And I think that's the whole point. When was the last time anybody bothered to comment on how nice the Coppice was, or how lovely a spot Keple End in the Ribble Valley is? (The Valley's site for a Panopticon)

Yes, of course a shopping centre with a nice Next would be lovely. But what would it really achieve? A few extra hundred people heading into the area per week? Possibly not even that, from what I've heard.

The Panopticons however seem to offer the potential for something else. A way for the area to be put on a tourist map. Anyone heard of the Great Days Out? Gets people on coaches into Accy, stopping at Ossy Mills etc. My gran has been on several of these trips and loved em. Said she wouldn't have bothered with Accy otherwise. Imagine now if Accy were on a route for a Panopticon tour? Same thing.

And by the way, the architect designing the things? He won't be building them single-handedly!!! I think the only spin he would put on it is defending his design, which any artist would do, until it is built by whatever European funding is finally thrown our way!

PurpleLass · 15-03-2005, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

And your very first thread and posting is all in favour of the Panopticon? Sounds to me like going to court and beginning with the verdict, then having the trial.

Wecome to Accy web, by the way!!

I shouldn't have to explain myself but I will. The chain of events was as follows. I was fairly sure I liked the scheme but didn't know enough about it so went to the meeting. Now convince it's a good thing for the town. Certainly not a bad thing. Came home and over the weekend did some more research. Found this site through the search engine and read through reams and reams to stuff and threads about it. Decided to join in because I thought it might help if you had a view from someone who was into the idea. Just opens up the debate a bit.

luke orourke 1988 · 15-03-2005, 16:26

its confusin me a bit. i mean how some bumps on the coppice be art.