Paris Shootings.

[Restless]

edit: doesnt matter

[Studio25]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

...Still horrific figures but most of them Afghans killing Afghans. At least the Coalitions forces try not to kill civilians,more than can be said for the Taliban with their suicide bombers, IED's, executions etc.

Sorry, laid it out as a table but it didn't work.

              civilians  By Nato  By insurgent
                killed   and Gov    action
    2008         2118      823       1160
    2009         2412      596       1630 
    2010         2777      440       2080 
2011(1st 6 mth)  1462      207       1167

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Studio25

              civilians  By Nato  By insurgent
                killed   and Gov    action
    2008         2118      823       1160
    2009         2412      596       1630 
    2010         2777      440       2080 
2011(1st 6 mth)  1462      207       1167

That's the way to do it, S25!

Still working on your method, just found the Windows key!

Incidentally, just reading a report on BBC-
5 years to 2011, fatalities from terrorism were between 82% and 95% Muslim.
No reliable figures up to current date.
Says a lot.

Total deaths caused by terrorists 2004- 2013 in 10 worst countries- about 257000. Unbelievable!

[Accyexplorer]

Worth a read..........there's even a few charts

What you need to know about terrorism and its causes: a graphic account - Stop the War Coalition

"Tough on terrorism,tough on the causes of terrorism"

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Worth a read..........there's even a few charts

What you need to know about terrorism and its causes: a graphic account - Stop the War Coalition

Hmmmm(as you used to say).

Stop the War Coalition/Counterfire.

'A revolutionary Socialist news and theory website, from the movement, for the movement.'
Their description, not mine.

Interesting read but(dare I suggest) possibly showing a little bias in it's articles- even the USSR gave up on Marxism, China's going the same way.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I did not read all of the article because of the bias I found in it.....Gordon, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[accyman]

i heard yesterday on the radio news that cameron sent a letter out to mosques asking them to be vigilant and to keep an eye open for signs of extreemism etc or words to effect

a muslim spokesman was having a moan about it saying that by sending out those letters he was implying muslims wernt part of british society

ya see no matter how horrible an event theres always someone who can twist things so they are the victim

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by accyman

i heard yesterday on the radio news that cameron sent a letter out to mosques asking them to be vigilant and to keep an eye open for signs of extreemism etc or words to effect

ya see no matter how horrible an event theres always someone who can twist things so they are the victim

Not sure what radio station you listen to Accyman but t'was Eric Pickles our Communities Secretary that wrote the letter.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Hmmmm(as you used to say).

Stop the War Coalition/Counterfire.

'A revolutionary Socialist news and theory website, from the movement, for the movement.'
Their description, not mine.

Interesting read but(dare I suggest) possibly showing a little bias in it's articles- even the USSR gave up on Marxism, China's going the same way.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I did not read all of the article because of the bias I found in it.....Gordon, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Sorry,I know, my link wasn't found on the front page of the MSM papers it was found in the small cooking section where nobody looks

[cashman]

Dont really matter who wrote the letter, sod all offensive in it, as far as i'm concerned its perfectly reasonable, Those mosque leaders who are moaning about it are a disgrace, and have no right to be in the U.K. cos they are NOT british and never will be. This is one of the few times i can agree wi Cameron.

[Boeing Guy]

Accyexplorer, if you read your history you will see where all this started.
Very briefly, Osama Bin Laden, who was involved in the Afghan struggle against the USSR offered to protect Saudi Arabia, and the House of Saud, against the expected invasion from Iraq, who in 1990 had invaded Kuwait and had eyes on Saudi. King Fahd refused Bin Ladens offer, instead accepting the Coalition forces and American Troops. Bin Laden took this as an insult to Islam that infidels protect Mecca and Medina, prompting him to and Al Qaeda to start plotting against the 'great satan' resulting in the World Trade Centre bombing in 1993. The rest as they say is history

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Accyexplorer, if you read your history you will see where all this started.
Very briefly, Osama Bin Laden, who was involved in the Afghan struggle against the USSR offered to protect Saudi Arabia, and the House of Saud, against the expected invasion from Iraq, who in 1990 had invaded Kuwait and had eyes on Saudi. King Fahd refused Bin Ladens offer, instead accepting the Coalition forces and American Troops. Bin Laden took this as an insult to Islam that infidels protect Mecca and Medina, prompting him to and Al Qaeda to start plotting against the 'great satan' resulting in the World Trade Centre bombing in 1993. The rest as they say is history

So do you believe religion in a man is as dangerous as rabies in a hound?

While the condemning these attacks and desire for revenge (on both sides) is understandable I don't beileve its a solution....it just seems to create more s***e.
I'm not disputing where it started,we all know there's violence on both sides.its just a shame folk can't see that they have more in common than they have differences.

Fact is, its very hard to stop folk setting off a van bomb near government buildings and shooting 69 participants of a summer camp......it's nearly as hard as stopping folk from jumping on a bus/train with bomb strapped to their back.

I think to have any sort of solution to all this we need to address the violence within us and try to create communities where these things are less likely to happen......will that happen? Hmmm (as I say).
What's trying to create said communities mean it practical terms? for me,it means not supporting violence in foreign countries and not being fearful of folk that are different from myself.

[cashman]

Yeh cant address sod all wi these lunatics,unless yeh turn muslim and adopt sharia law etc, what sodding planet are you on? i seriously wonder.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh cant address sod all wi these lunatics,unless yeh turn muslim and adopt sharia law etc, what sodding planet are you on? i seriously wonder.

Sorry C, I struggle replying when I'm using my phone,perhaps you could join this firm....they seem to have adopted a similar way of thinking

CHRISTIAN PATROL, BLACKBURN, NORTH WEST

[cashman]

Don't blame the phone, when its reality yeh struggle with.