Paris Shootings.

[Margaret Pilkington]

When I was reading the online newspaper reports of this atrocity last night, in the comments section there were messages of support from leaders of countries around the world.
In amongst these was a message of condemnation from some British Muslim organisation and one gloating comment from ISIS.
My logic tells me that there ARE many good muslims in the country but the words of the Muslim Organisation are just that...words. Ineffectual unless backed up by concrete action.

When the communities start handing in those who they feel are a risk to society(and muslims are part of society and are just as likely to be killed by one of their own who wishes to murder and maim us infidels...Their bombs and guns do not discriminate, they do not spare muslims) I will maybe, just maybe believe the words of condemnation that they issue.

[cashman]

Can someone explain "WHY" successive governments have refused to do anything about these terrible incidents? they bleat out the same tired excuses, that there is over 3000 of these sympathizers in the U.K. so we aint got the resources or staff to watch them all!! well we all are aware of that, this latest fellow has been on the list for 13/14 years they say, Well i say WHY? are any of these people still in the country? they should have been evicted as soon as it was established they are sympathizers, I,m pretty certain decent Muslims would not object, only the sodding Do-Gooders would. I'm pretty sure action like that would reduce the chances of these happenings, if Government had the guts to really take action.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, this man (who perpetrated this attack)was born here. Most of the terrorists that have been responsible for attacks in this country were also born here. So where do you evict them to?

Problems arose when the borders were opened to all comers(and we know who was responsible for that).
The border agency do not know who is here, whether they should be here, or for that matter where they are.
This is an abysmal state of affairs. No goverment has made any attempts to address these issues.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy, this man (who perpetrated this attack)was born here. Most of the terrorists that have been responsible for attacks in this country were also born here. So where do you evict them to?

Problems arose when the borders were opened to all comers(and we know who was responsible for that).
The border agency do not know who is here, whether they should be here, or for that matter where they are.
This is an abysmal state of affairs. No goverment has made any attempts to address these issues.

Were the family originally came from. simple as. Thats the bottom line NO GOVERNMENT has attempted to address the issue, they would rather increase the peril to British People.

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

Can someone explain "WHY" successive governments have refused to do anything about these terrible incidents? they bleat out the same tired excuses, that there is over 3000 of these sympathizers in the U.K. so we aint got the resources or staff to watch them all!! well we all are aware of that, this latest fellow has been on the list for 13/14 years they say, Well i say WHY? are any of these people still in the country? they should have been evicted as soon as it was established they are sympathizers, I,m pretty certain decent Muslims would not object, only the sodding Do-Gooders would. I'm pretty sure action like that would reduce the chances of these happenings, if Government had the guts to really take action.

The problem is, to effectively remove this curse, we and our government would have to react in a similar uncivilised manner as those that attack us, at what point do we say all ethnics are guilty?
The last guy that went down that road ended up shooting himself in a bunker, surely we know better than that?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cashman

Were the family originally came from. simple as. Thats the bottom line NO GOVERNMENT has attempted to address the issue, they would rather increase the peril to British People.

I get what you are saying, but you and I both know that there would be some legal challenges that would cost the country a fortune.(human rights issues - the right to a family life etc)
The people who live here need to accept our way of life and the freedom that was bought dearly with the blood of our grandfathers.
If they do not like it then the door to leave is open.
The people in this country are tolerant of all races and religions and these people should also show tolerance.
The Muslim faith is supposed to be peaceful and tolerant.
Not one which murders and maims in the name of God.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I get what you are saying, but you and I both know that there would be some legal challenges that would cost the country a fortune.(human rights issues - the right to a family life etc)
The people who live here need to accept our way of life and the freedom that was bought dearly with the blood of our grandfathers.
If they do not like it then the door to leave is open.
The people in this country are tolerant of all races and religions and these people should also show tolerance.
The Muslim faith is supposed to be peaceful and tolerant.
Not one which murders and maims in the name of God.

Not just our grandfathers, their grandfathers also fought on our behalf to make this a country they can now live in with freedom.

Each attack by someone born here is also an attack on their own that sacrificed their lives to grant others the right to live here.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

The problem is, to effectively remove this curse, we and our government would have to react in a similar uncivilised manner as those that attack us, at what point do we say all ethnics are guilty?
The last guy that went down that road ended up shooting himself in a bunker, surely we know better than that?

Why Capital Punishment was abolished long ago, deporting the sympathizers to the place they originally came from is uncivilized? Do me a favour. there is no point at all saying all ethinics are guilty, yer beginning to sound like a do gooder. go join the government less.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy..might be something worth asking when the candidates come around wanting you to vote for them.
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer...you might get a lot of hot air and waffle, but would bet you won't get anything that resembles a workable solution.

Sometimes I wonder if the politicians have a revolution on their agenda....some kind of uprising that would absolve them from any blame for whatever happens.
Just a thought.

[Barrie Yates]

I am hoping that our MP does some canvassing with his party opportunists who are seeking election to LCC and comes to my door. I am preparing a list of questions to ask them - both of local/CC and national import. Didn't get them around last time but the Tories came around, probably missing out just one address.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

so we aint got the resources or staff to watch them all!!

Internment, if all those who'd been deemed a threat were placed in one place the effort of controlling & monitoring their actions could easily be achieved. The precedent for such action is quite clear to see from the not so distant past & as to family life, pile them into the same location too.

Preferably all this could be done on some remote uninhabited island off the coast somewhere, (not necessarily the UK coast either) a kind of "H Block by the sea". All relevant infrastructure & management could be supplied along with an armed supervisory/guard detachment to ensure smooth running. Then once the internee has proven their loyalty & acceptance of how normal people co-exist & behave, then & only then could they be considered for returning to our society.

And before the whiners start, this is how a country at war responds & if its escaped your feeble lefty notice, we are at war with extremists who wish to destroy our way of life right now!

[Margaret Pilkington]

That would get my vote son.
The other thing is that while such attacks take place, other innocent muslims bear the brunt of aggression...and it is not their fault.
All I want to do is go about my daily life without having to worry that one of these extremists wants to maim me because I do not subscribe to their faith.
Goodness knows, there are muslims fighting against people of their own faith...but a different brand of it so to speak. So we who are seen as the infidels have little chance.
Anyway, I hope Adrian Elms (aka Khalid Masood amongst many of his aliases)is enjoying his eternal place next to Martin Mc Guinness in the hobs of hell.

[cashman]

That would be a way Dave,slong as if they did that, they dont give em £1 million compo,like we did with those in Guantanamo.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Internment, if all those who'd been deemed a threat were placed in one place the effort of controlling & monitoring their actions could easily be achieved. The precedent for such action is quite clear to see from the not so distant past & as to family life, pile them into the same location too.

Preferably all this could be done on some remote uninhabited island off the coast somewhere, (not necessarily the UK coast either) a kind of "H Block by the sea". All relevant infrastructure & management could be supplied along with an armed supervisory/guard detachment to ensure smooth running. Then once the internee has proven their loyalty & acceptance of how normal people co-exist & behave, then & only then could they be considered for returning to our society.

And before the whiners start, this is how a country at war responds & if its escaped your feeble lefty notice, we are at war with extremists who wish to destroy our way of life right now!

St Kilda springs to mind, but don't know if we still have an Army/RAF post there as part of RA Range Hebrides - but that would be an ideal place, or even better Rockall. The problem with attempting to deport them is that the receiving country must be prepared to accept them.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

St Kilda springs to mind, but don't know if we still have an Army/RAF post there as part of RA Range Hebrides - but that would be an ideal place, or even better Rockall. The problem with attempting to deport them is that the receiving country must be prepared to accept them.

yep summat i realized Barrie,so if enough info is gained then stuff em on one of those islands, much easier to watch.