Paris Shootings.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Neil

So the PM doesn't say we are at war in this newspaper

Britain goes to war against Isil - Telegraph

Our own MP votes yes to go to war with ISIS

[Margaret Pilkington]

So is there a war cabinet then?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

90% correct M.

How I believe it should read:-

'These particular' terrorists justify their actions on religious grounds.....religion has NOTHING to do with terrorism 'this time'.......it is about men distorting religion for their own agenda.....and that agenda is to seize power by installing fear into people.....to form a "new world order".

Because you believe it does not make it true.
I know what I meant, and it isn't what you believe.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Michael1954

I suppose flying planes into the Twin Towers was collateral damage too.

Pilot error

[Accyexplorer]

This clip is worth a watch:-

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well, I was waiting for that one. I watched it but was not impressed. I do not know where the clip originates, and how they came by their information.
There is always, always going be a conspiracy theory thrown into the mix...but just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

[MargaretR]

If you look at the Oxford dictionary definition of war
war: definition of war in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
it is clear that a 'war' is happening now.

How it is waged is changing and doesn't neccessarily require a declaration or a vote.
Guided missiles, drones, cyber attacks are all strategies of war - just the use of manpower and weapons are different from what was previously accepted as war.
The era of staged battlefields ended in WWII but there have been numerous wars since.
List of wars 1945?89 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There has been a tendency to describe them as conflicts, confrontations, insurgencies, uprisings, but they still meet the dictionary definition of war.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

So is there a war cabinet then?

What will it take for it to be a war in your eyes?
The US never formally declared war on Vietnam, do you think that wasn't a war?

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Neil

What do you call bombing and killing people if it's not war?

Aggressive prevention, pre-emptive response, termination with extreme prejudice.

And as to the SAS, Scout sniper teams, best of British to the lads as they're doing an exemplary job! Taking out the rankers leaves the "footsoldiers" without direction & more likely to slope off, or hopefully, turn on each other therefore saving western troops or their allies from death or injury.

Furthermore, my personal opinion is that terrorists (those that indiscriminately inflict death, injury & fear on non combatants) if taken alive should be strung up within a week, no appeals, no leniency, short, sharp, effective.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

This clip is worth a watch:-

Ohh,no. Not another conspiracy theorist? Please don't add that to your many talents.
Anyway, isn't one enough?

[accyman]

im not seeing as much hype about the thousands of nigerians wiped out by muslims because it was faster to shoot them than convert them

Boko Haram's 'deadliest massacre': 2,000 feared dead in Nigeria | World news | theguardian.com

District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents.

wether war is decalred or not these scum need wiping out and as one french official said yesterday its time to start terrorising the terrorists

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

What will it take for it to be a war in your eyes?
The US never formally declared war on Vietnam, do you think that wasn't a war?

No, I don't think the Vietnamese conflict wasn't a war.

It is terrorism......it is fascism, it is about imposing an ideology, a theocracy on those who do not want it.
Aren't the Isis fighters invading lands that are not theirs?
Aren't they imposing their will on tribes who have been no threat to them?
Are you happy to accept creeping Islam?
Will you rejoice when the black flag is raised over number 10?

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Neil

Yes it is barbaric but it is their way, that is what we have to accept if we wish to fight them.

Fair enough.
In your current mood of reasonableness would you agree, then, that we should be allowed to fight them in the same way? After all, I'm sure they'd accept it!

If so it's time we let rip, don't you agree?

[accyman]

we should have let rip on these arseholes years ago .You cant fight a war against them with your hands tied by rules when they dont adhere to any other than kill anything that disagrees with you

[cashman]

I agree wi the last 2 posts 100%.