Parliamentary Boundary Change - Page 11

Margaret Pilkington · 20-09-2011, 10:03

so what you are saying John is, that it really doesn't matter if we share our opinion of the Boundary Comissions findings, they will do as they please anyway?
The consultation is just a way to bambozzle people into thinking they have some influence....no change there then!

garinda · 20-09-2011, 10:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Young Andrew has just telephoned me regarding this, he made a very valid point, its no good opposing the Commission's proposals if a viable alternative is in place

The viable alternative is to keep a M.P. for Hyndburn, or at least fight to keep one.

Let other areas get split up, and tagged on to neighbouring constituencies.

I don't personally care what happens elsewhere.

I do care if we are deemed not important enough an area to warrant our own M.P.

Our historical and unique identity will be harmed, as well as the power and political leverage having a M.P. who covers the same area as the borough council, affords us.

garinda · 20-09-2011, 10:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I hate this burgeoning trend of everyone using facebook.......advertisers do it for their competitions(I have complained to the companies about this, it excludes those who are not registered with facebook).......and it is frequently used for petitions now.
I can't access an oportunity to sign this petition as I am not a member of facebook....and do not wish to join just to sign petitions.
I know there are other options to register my disapproval, but surely having signatures in different places dilutes the impact of such means to get attention for the cause.

I know what you're saying, but that's just how it is.

You could,if you wish, just join to add your voice to petition groups.

You needn't do anything else.

No need to have friends/share photos/or tell us what you're having for tea.

I know people who detest Facebook, but who have done this.

You were wary of Firefox, until you tried it.

garinda · 20-09-2011, 10:39

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Originally Posted by garinda

I know what you're saying, but that's just how it is.

You could,if you wish, just join to add your voice to petition groups.

You needn't do anything else.

No need to have friends/share photos/or tell us what you're having for tea.

I know people who detest Facebook, but who have done this.

You were wary of Firefox, until you tried it.

Facebook's no different from Accy Web, just bigger.

It's there to be used, if you want to.

Some just read it.

Some like certain things, history, photo galleries, political stuff, film and TV etc.

Some like debating in various groups, others don't.

It's a fact that it has become the most popular internet media.

It seems odd not to use it, if there's something you do want to add your support to.

Many have joined up using a pseudonym, a well as deciding that they don't want to use it to share any personal information.

Joining need not be any different from signing on to add your supporrt to other online petitions.

jaysay · 20-09-2011, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

so what you are saying John is, that it really doesn't matter if we share our opinion of the Boundary Comissions findings, they will do as they please anyway?
The consultation is just a way to bambozzle people into thinking they have some influence....no change there then!

That's what we found last time Margaret, I think as Jen pointed out, whether it will this time only time will tell, but I ain't holding my breath

jaysay · 20-09-2011, 10:52

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Originally Posted by garinda

The viable alternative is to keep a M.P. for Hyndburn, or at least fight to keep one.

Let other areas get split up, and tagged on to neighbouring constituencies.

I don't personally care what happens elsewhere.

I do care if we are deemed not important enough an area to warrant our own M.P.

Our historical and unique identity will be harmed, as well as the power and political leverage having a M.P. who covers the same area as the borough council, affords us.

The thing is Rindi constituencies have to be around 75000 electors in size with a 5% leeway, just keeping Hyndburn as it is certainly won't happen, that's the reason to actually come up with alternatives, which of course means affecting other areas, for instance bringing Padiham in with Hyndburn, because we have a natural boundary, but that just one suggestion

jaysay · 20-09-2011, 10:53

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The thing is Rindi constituencies have to be around 75000 electors in size with a 5% leeway, just keeping Hyndburn as it is certainly won't happen, that's the reason to actually come up with alternatives, which of course means affecting other areas, for instance bringing Padiham in with Hyndburn, because we have a natural boundary, but that just one suggestion

Just to add I think the main thing is we keep the name alive for parliamentary purposes

garinda · 20-09-2011, 10:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

That's what we found last time Margaret, I think as Jen pointed out, whether it will this time only time will tell, but I ain't holding my breath

All you can do is at least fight the proposal, because that's all it is at this stage.

If we do lose a M.P. for Hyndburn, at least you'll know you did what you could to try and prevent this happening.

The Boundary Commission asks for public feedback.

If there's enough of a fuss kicked up in a particular area it 'might' make a difference.

We'll never know if people don't at least try to halt this plan.

garinda · 20-09-2011, 10:58

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The thing is Rindi constituencies have to be around 75000 electors in size with a 5% leeway, just keeping Hyndburn as it is certainly won't happen, that's the reason to actually come up with alternatives, which of course means affecting other areas, for instance bringing Padiham in with Hyndburn, because we have a natural boundary, but that just one suggestion

I know that.

I don't care if other areas are split up, and tagged on to Hyndburn.

That's their problem.

I do care, and think it's imperative that we retain a dedicated Hyndburn constituency.

jaysay · 20-09-2011, 10:59

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Originally Posted by garinda

All you can do is at least fight the proposal, because that's all it is at this stage.

If we do lose a M.P. for Hyndburn, at least you'll know you did what you could to try and prevent this happening.

The Boundary Commission asks for public feedback.

If there's enough of a fuss kicked up in a particular area it 'might' make a difference.

We'll never know if people don't at least try to halt this plan.

Oh I totally agree Rindi, but with my experience public feed back isn't worth a light if nobody listens and they certainly didn't in 1995

garinda · 20-09-2011, 11:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Oh I totally agree Rindi, but with my experience public feed back isn't worth a light if nobody listens and they certainly didn't in 1995

This isn't just the normal tweaking of boundaries, that goes on because of shifting population patterns.

This shake up is one of the biggest changes to happen in parliament for a hundred years, with the number of M.P.'s being reduced from 650 to 600.

It's important we at least fight to retain this area as a constitueny in it's own right.

We'll suffer as an area if our power is divided.

Retlaw · 20-09-2011, 12:21

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Originally Posted by garinda

This isn't just the normal tweaking of boundaries, that goes on because of shifting population patterns.

This shake up is one of the biggest changes to happen in parliament for a hundred years, with the number of M.P.'s being reduced from 650 to 600.

It's important we at least fight to retain this area as a constitueny in it's own right.

We'll suffer as an area if our power is divided.

Why do we even need 600, most of the decisions are made in Brussels anyway, so we only need 1 to kiss arse & agree.
Retlaw.

garinda · 20-09-2011, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Why do we even need 600, most of the decisions are made in Brussels anyway, so we only need 1 to kiss arse & agree.
Retlaw.

Different argument.

The fact is fifty constituencies are going to completely disappear.

Let's hope it isn't ours.

Gayle · 20-09-2011, 13:47

One crazy thing.

The population of Hyndburn is 81,500 ish.
The target for each constituency is 75,000 minus or plus 5% i.e. between 71,250 to 78,500.
If they simply took the two wards of Haslingden off and gave them back to Rossendale, surely we'd be the perfect constituency without much need for change.

garinda · 20-09-2011, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Gayle

One crazy thing.

The population of Hyndburn is 81,500 ish.
The target for each constituency is 75,000 minus or plus 5% i.e. between 71,250 to 78,500.
If they simply took the two wards of Haslingden off and gave them back to Rossendale, surely we'd be the perfect constituency without much need for change.

Great point.

Hope you've included it in the comment section, on the Boundary Commission website.

http://consultation.boundarycommissi...endent.gov.uk/