Parliamentary Boundary Change - Page 13

jaysay · 21-09-2011, 09:22

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Originally Posted by garinda

The only people who seem not to be pulling together, are councillors in Great Harwood.

They seem to have accepted Hyndburn as a consituency will disappear, and are trying to push themselves off to the Ribble Valley.

Great Harwood petition bid over new boundaries (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Other than that, across the political spectrum, most people are against the plan to split us, and tag us on to neighboring constituencies.

Rindi that does not surprise me one little bit, because they never wanted to be In Hyndburn in the first place, they were in Ribble Valley until reorganisation brought them in with use

jaysay · 21-09-2011, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

It may well be 81,000 ish, but they only count the voters, not the whole.
Retlaw.

exactly right with that one Walter, the constituency is classed on numbers of Voters not the total population, which includes children

Retlaw · 21-09-2011, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Oh G...that is funny. I don't think anyone would get me to do something against my will(and I am pretty sure you know I am strong willed and have a mind of my own).......I'm a monkey...not a sheep

Margaret, there are events that can be created, where even your strong will could be overcome.
Retlaw.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-09-2011, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

Margaret, there are events that can be created, where even your strong will could be overcome.
Retlaw.

Oh, yes of course there are Retlaw.......but being aware of these situations has to be a good thing and raises your own suspicions of them.
Where I can exercise choice, I will weigh up the situation....and choose according to my own values.

It becomes far more difficult if the events created are ones in which I do not have the freedom of choice.

shillelagh · 21-09-2011, 13:04

what you need to do is to plan it out ... exactly what you want ... you cant go into the consultations and say we want hyndburn to stay as it is .. you have to be able to say why hyndburn should stay as it is .. and this is what should happen ... and plan out all the other constituencies .. with all the numbers etc .. i found that out when i went ... oh and they will question you .. why you think such and such a ward should go there .. be prepared ...

when i went last time they had 3 'judges' from the boundary commission, solicitors from all over the place who asked questions as well ... so be prepared .. for any questions that will be fired at you ....

shillelagh · 21-09-2011, 13:33

by the way the public consultations are being held at the tickled trout in salmesbury ...

Preston
Location: Macdonald Tickled Trout Hotel, Preston New Road, Samlesbury, Preston, Lancashire, PR5 0UJ
Date: 24 Oct 2011 to 25 Oct 2011
Time: Day 1: 11:00 - 20:00 Day 2: 09:00 - 17:00

the last ones where held at county hall in preston ...

jaysay · 21-09-2011, 17:56

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

what you need to do is to plan it out ... exactly what you want ... you cant go into the consultations and say we want hyndburn to stay as it is .. you have to be able to say why hyndburn should stay as it is .. and this is what should happen ... and plan out all the other constituencies .. with all the numbers etc .. i found that out when i went ... oh and they will question you .. why you think such and such a ward should go there .. be prepared ...

when i went last time they had 3 'judges' from the boundary commission, solicitors from all over the place who asked questions as well ... so be prepared .. for any questions that will be fired at you ....

I think that is why there should be a totally united front on this issue, with no petty squabbling clouding the issue

shillelagh · 22-09-2011, 00:35

jaysay ... last time when i went .. we had hyndburn labour party on one side and haslingden labour party on the other .... bernard still has nightmares i think from the arguments we had ....

jaysay · 22-09-2011, 06:35

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

jaysay ... last time when i went .. we had hyndburn labour party on one side and haslingden labour party on the other .... bernard still has nightmares i think from the arguments we had ....

Ya so that's why its important for everybody to be onside this time, if there is any kind of infighting or disagreement shown at this meeting it will go against us

Ken Moss · 24-09-2011, 13:04

Poor Belthorn already has three MPs, perhaps we should ask for their views? Even those who have little interest in politics can see that it is Conservative gerrymandering to give them a political advantage and that the Liberal Democrats are rather foolishly going along with it.

My opinion hasn't changed, it's a ghastly idea which I feel pretty certain will be pushed through regardless of any protests but I haven't spoken to one single person who is in favour.

Mind you, I haven't spoken to Cllr Britcliffe on this subject yet and we never seem to agree.....

andrewb · 24-09-2011, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Poor Belthorn already has three MPs, perhaps we should ask for their views? Even those who have little interest in politics can see that it is Conservative gerrymandering to give them a political advantage and that the Liberal Democrats are rather foolishly going along with it.

My opinion hasn't changed, it's a ghastly idea which I feel pretty certain will be pushed through regardless of any protests but I haven't spoken to one single person who is in favour.

Mind you, I haven't spoken to Cllr Britcliffe on this subject yet and we never seem to agree.....

Please don't start the point scoring. Redrawing by the independent Boundary Commission happens every now and then to account for population changes. It's not gerrymandering, and saying it is does not help Hyndburn.

Ken Moss · 24-09-2011, 13:23

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Please don't start the point scoring. Redrawing by the independent Boundary Commission happens every now and then to account for population changes. It's not gerrymandering, and saying it is does not help Hyndburn.

You're entitled to your opinion Andrew but I disagree.

Most boroughs have natural geographical boundaries and quite honestly how you can see sense in two of the three Oswaldtwistle wards plus Rishton and Great Harwood seceding into Darwen is beyond me. What on Earth have we got in common with Tockholes? I'm sure Jake Berry knows as much about Netherton as I do about somewhere such as Beardwood or Wensley Fold.

Graham Jones is Accrington born and bred but it makes more sense for someone else to look after bits of Hyndburn just so that the numbers add up equally on paper? What happens when the populations shift and become unequal again?

Conservative gerrymandering and a textbook exercise in how to completely confuse the electorate.

Gayle · 24-09-2011, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Conservative gerrymandering and a textbook exercise in how to completely confuse the electorate.

By continually calling it that you are actually informing half of the population that it is a good thing because they will benefit from it. I doubt that is your intention.

There are 101 reasons why this should not go ahead which are regardless of party politics. But, but constantly pointing out that Conservatives will benefit, you are actually giving them a reason to stay quiet.

To stop it going through you need the whole electorate on your side. Concentrate on the real reasons then we can get some solidarity on this one.

Ken Moss · 24-09-2011, 13:36

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Originally Posted by Gayle

By continually calling it that you are actually informing half of the population that it is a good thing because they will benefit from it. I doubt that is your intention.

There are 101 reasons why this should not go ahead which are regardless of party politics. But, but constantly pointing out that Conservatives will benefit, you are actually giving them a reason to stay quiet.

To stop it going through you need the whole electorate on your side. Concentrate on the real reasons then we can get some solidarity on this one.

You know the real reason as well as I do Gayle and it's deplorable. I'm sure it has gone on it the past under various colours for much the same reason but it doesn't make it any better.

Each borough is proud of its own identity and is keen to retain that but creating new arbitrary boundaries under the pretence of 'fairness' is pathetic and does no favours whatsoever to the public.

As an example, it doesn't help me to be a better councillor when the good working relationship I have built up with Graham Jones will become worthless and I have to liaise with the Darwen MP instead, someone who is unlikely to have the first clue about Rishton.

I now have to face a salvo of question from residents who seem convinced that we are going to become part of Blackburn, despite the fact that we will fall under the Darwen with Haslingden banner but still be under the wing of Hyndburn Borough Council.

It makes no sense whatsoever, I am vehemently against the idea.

Gayle · 24-09-2011, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

You know the real reason as well as I do Gayle and it's deplorable. I'm sure it has gone on it the past under various colours for much the same reason but it doesn't make it any better.

Each borough is proud of its own identity and is keen to retain that but creating new arbitrary boundaries under the pretence of 'fairness' is pathetic and does no favours whatsoever to the public.

As an example, it doesn't help me to be a better councillor when the good working relationship I have built up with Graham Jones will become worthless and I have to liaise with the Darwen MP instead, someone who is unlikely to have the first clue about Rishton.

I now have to face a salvo of question from residents who seem convinced that we are going to become part of Blackburn, despite the fact that we will fall under the Darwen with Haslingden banner but still be under the wing of Hyndburn Borough Council.

It makes no sense whatsoever, I am vehemently against the idea.

I appreciate that you are against the idea. But so are most of the people on here, Conservatives included. Your first two paragraphs are more of the same 'they'll benefit argument' but your last three paragraphs make sense whichever party you vote for. All I'm saying is, that you need everyone to be on side for the same reason so let's concentrate on the reasons why all parties and all voters should work together on this.