Parliamentary Boundary Change

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Is it true that Church will become part of the Chelsea & Kensington constituency and Ossy is going to Islamabad (south)?

No we'll just make Church a Brown Field Site, but remembering to leave it vacant for 25 years to revert back to its natural state

[g jones]

This was the third such model. The big date for the real thing is 12 September. It all comes about because the coalition want to diminish Labours electoral advantage gained by the current variable sizes in seats and have passed a bill.

It excludes the 3.5m people unregistered mainly in urban areas and there is the rub. That and the fact that 2 Lib Dem island seats in Scotland are being allowed to carry on below the new 75,000 size (30,000 and 20,000) and the Isle of Wight at 100,000 (Tory) is being divided into two.

The popular view is Ross and Darwen will go and Preston North and Wyre will go to make the larger seat numbers. Everyone else will have to shuffle around.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by g jones

This was the third such model. The big date for the real thing is 12 September. It all comes about because the coalition want to diminish Labours electoral advantage gained by the current variable sizes in seats and have passed a bill.

It excludes the 3.5m people unregistered mainly in urban areas and there is the rub. That and the fact that 2 Lib Dem island seats in Scotland are being allowed to carry on below the new 75,000 size (30,000 and 20,000) and the Isle of Wight at 100,000 (Tory) is being divided into two.

The popular view is Ross and Darwen will go and Preston North and Wyre will go to make the larger seat numbers. Everyone else will have to shuffle around.

I'd say you can stick at least another million on the figure of 3.5m unregistered voters and most of those would be in rural areas.. boundary changes are not an exact science if we rely on the voting register or even the census.. win some lose some but never known of a change that has ever benefited the opposition.

[jaysay]

Boundary changes have become something of a pastime in this country, which carries a raft of civil servants (Boundaries Commission) just wondering if this goes on in other countries, I'm sure Eric, SJ Alan Gilmartin, and other expats living worldwide could enlighten us

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by g jones

This was the third such model. The big date for the real thing is 12 September. It all comes about because the coalition want to diminish Labours electoral advantage gained by the current variable sizes in seats and have passed a bill.

An electoral advantage undertaken by the last government, which I suppose you thought was quite alright at the time because it suited your own political ethosIn your eyes it only becomes a problem when its undertaken by the Tories

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

An electoral advantage undertaken by the last government, which I suppose you thought was quite alright at the time because it suited your own political ethosIn your eyes it only becomes a problem when its undertaken by the Tories

To my mind it's a question of practicality. It costs money and since townships evolve all the time this will end up being a neverending exercise under the excuse of political balance and even numbers. Under the proposed changes Rishton, Great Harwood and St Oswalds will move into Blackburn parliamentary territory whilst remaining under the remit of Hyndburn Borough Council.

People won't like it, it just doesn't make sense to keep messing about with boundaries.

[phil8715]

How does Rawtenstall come under Hyndburn when it's in Rossendale? A different council altogether.

I can see why Great Harwood would want to fall under the Ribble Valley as it's not that far away.

We're going to have another Southport debacle where they can't decide which which county it's in. Sometimes it's in West Lancashire and other times it's under Merseyside.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Under the proposed changes Rishton, Great Harwood and St Oswalds will move into Blackburn parliamentary territory whilst remaining under the remit of Hyndburn Borough Council.

I wonder if Jack will come on here to tell us all about his bits of Hyndburn and if he will spend lots of time at Scaithcliffe.

There will be no room for Councillors with all the MP's in the way

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

To my mind it's a question of practicality. It costs money and since townships evolve all the time this will end up being a neverending exercise under the excuse of political balance and even numbers. Under the proposed changes Rishton, Great Harwood and St Oswalds will move into Blackburn parliamentary territory whilst remaining under the remit of Hyndburn Borough Council.

People won't like it, it just doesn't make sense to keep messing about with boundaries.

So the only way to solve this age old problem is to make the Boundaries Commission totally independent from all colours of government, (and if you think they already are your living on cloud cuckoo land) who, on election, try to undo the changes made by their predecessors, only then will we get a system that is fair to the people who really matter, the electorate

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by phil8715

How does Rawtenstall come under Hyndburn when it's in Rossendale? A different council altogether.

I can see why Great Harwood would want to fall under the Ribble Valley as it's not that far away.
We're going to have another Southport debacle where they can't decide which which county it's in. Sometimes it's in West Lancashire and other times it's under Merseyside.

The answer is Rawtenstall doesn't come under Hyndburn but if boundary changes go ahead it would for parliamentary purposes only, at the moment two ward from Haslingden are included with Hyndburn for parliamentary Worsley and er (where's Jen when you need her) but they revert back to Rossendale for local and county. According to these new proposals nothing would change on that score and it would be Status Quo as far as local councils are concerned, ya your right its a bloody dogs breakfast

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I wonder if Jack will come on here to tell us all about his bits of Hyndburn and if he will spend lots of time at Scaithcliffe.

There will be no room for Councillors with all the MP's in the way

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The answer is Rawtenstall doesn't come under Hyndburn but if boundary changes go ahead it would for parliamentary purposes only, at the moment two ward from Haslingden are included with Hyndburn for parliamentary Worsley and er (where's Jen when you need her) but they revert back to Rossendale for local and county. According to these new proposals nothing would change on that score and it would be Status Quo as far as local councils are concerned, ya your right its a bloody dogs breakfast

im here ....be nice to me im in recovery again ... its worsley and greenfield wards that are in hyndburn constituency ... which means that rising bridge, acre, station steps, haslingden, road end, ewood bridge are all in hyndburn .. but yet our councillors are on rossendale council and we pay our council tax to rossendale. Lancashire county council .. worsley ward and helmshore wards are put together for one county councillor ...

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

So the only way to solve this age old problem is to make the Boundaries Commission totally independent from all colours of government, (and if you think they already are your living on cloud cuckoo land) who, on election, try to undo the changes made by their predecessors, only then will we get a system that is fair to the people who really matter, the electorate

To be frank, I think that continually messing with boundaries through some arbitrary osmosis of population numbers is a fruitless exercise. Boroughs evolve over time, some will be bigger than others and some will have population decreases. Changing the boundaries will inevitably cost money and the people will resent the change, as they have been letting me know very vocally within Rishton. To use Rishton as an example, how can it make sense to have a Blackburn MP representing us but be part of Hyndburn Council?

For me, you can leave everything alone and save a few thousand quid.

[Margaret Pilkington]

c'mon Ken.....when does anything have to make sense for it to be applied?
If we did things (politically) that made sense we would be out of the EU by now......villains would be locked up and the key thrown away, the bus station would not be scheduled to be at the bottom end of the town.....and lots of other things would be implemented, just because they made sense.

No, I'm afraid that sense(common or otherwise) is a rare commodity...maybe even extinct.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

To be frank, I think that continually messing with boundaries through some arbitrary osmosis of population numbers is a fruitless exercise. Boroughs evolve over time, some will be bigger than others and some will have population decreases. Changing the boundaries will inevitably cost money and the people will resent the change, as they have been letting me know very vocally within Rishton. To use Rishton as an example, how can it make sense to have a Blackburn MP representing us but be part of Hyndburn Council?

For me, you can leave everything alone and save a few thousand quid.

Exactly Ken, its a complete dogs breakfast, as you say leave things alone get rid of the Boundaries Commission and save billions of pounds over the years, this keep swapping and changing is just another thing that's putting the General Public off politics all together because they just don't know where they are. Its hard enough to try explaining to people whats going on within the political spectrum without keep clouding the waters