Pensioner dies at cash machine

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Studio25

Everybody dies sometime. This old man was in ill health, and old.

IMO the bailiff showed poor judgement in pursuing the debt from this confused old man (I know him by proxy- my wife nursed him) and poor judgement putting him in a car*.

The hospital (possibly) showed poor judgement releasing the man early. His family showed poor judgement leaving him alone. Those displays of poor judgement haven't media value, though.

I think everyone is overreacting to an extent. He allegedly did something wrong, the due process was followed, and it coincided with his death. Nobody likes speeding or parking fines, or bailiffs, but it's as likely that it was just his time to go as it was the events immediately before.

That is a pathetic response....you did not know the man at all.
When is the time to go? when some prat like you decides on the heresay evidence of your wife, who should not be discussing with you the cases in her charge...the time has come for a re-value of all ethics.
I knew Andy and he has been more help to more people than I can count.
Old what the hell has that got to do with it....I am nearly seventy and have experienced the ups and downs of life and am still here to tell the tale.
You are new in business and the think my best advise to you would be: Think before you open your gob. or go public on Accyweb.

Andy was laid to rest today.........RIP Pal

[Speedy]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

That is a pathetic response....you did not know the man at all.
When is the time to go? when some prat like you decides on the heresay evidence of your wife, who should not be discussing with you the cases in her charge

Firstly the fact he didnt know the guy makes his opinion honest, you knew the guy so your opinion on the matter will obviously be influenced by that.

Secondly he said his wife nursed him, he never said she had gone into details about his case, for all you know he may have only found out about this after the incident occured.

Thirdly i respect everyone to have thier own point of view but IMO bringing his buisness into this is completely irrelevent and has nothing to do with this topic.

END OF RANT.

ps. RIP to the gentlemen in question.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Speedy

Firstly the fact he didnt know the guy makes his opinion honest, you knew the guy so your opinion on the matter will obviously be influenced by that.

Secondly he said his wife nursed him, he never said she had gone into details about his case, for all you know he may have only found out about this after the incident occured.

Thirdly i respect everyone to have thier own point of view but IMO bringing his buisness into this is completely irrelevent and has nothing to do with this topic.

END OF RANT.

ps. RIP to the gentlemen in question.

I think your life has been short lived.
Read, digest and take on board what is being said here.
You have come out in favour of Ba.......s who caused this incident.
By reason of the fact that he said his wife nursed him...that was a breach of trust.
Having had experience (Have you) that comments like this can damage an up and coming business....I think you had better 'Gen Up' on the doe's and dont's of what is required in the real world?

[Speedy]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

I think your life has been short lived.
Read, digest and take on board what is being said here.
You have come out in favour of Ba.......s who caused this incident.
By reason of the fact that he said his wife nursed him...that was a breach of trust.
Having had experience (Have you) that comments like this can damage an up and coming business....I think you had better 'Gen Up' on the doe's and dont's of what is required in the real world?

1. yes i am still young
2. The Ba.....s were not totally to blame for this, yet they same to be the ones getting all the htred directed at them.
3. i doubt that menmtioning a patient is under thier care constitutes a breachof trust, if it does every nurse in the world would be out of a job.
4. I genuinely dont believe that people will stop using somebodys buisness because they read something on a forum that they disagreed with, if anyone is that pathetic then they really need to get a life.

[Pamperqueen]

[quote=Studio25;670022]Everybody dies sometime... He allegedly did something wrong, the due process was followed]

I am shocked!!! For all we know he was planning to contest the ticket before his coma, and even if not, the courts had been told he was confused and simply not capable...AND IT WAS JUST A SPEEDING FINE ANYWAY

The 'due process' is clearly inhumane. The conscience of a court official should have interfered with 'due process' when reading the advisory letter from the family, the conscience of the bailiff should have interfered with the due process when he came face to face with a frightened old man....

The reason we are all "over reacting" is because we are shocked and appalled at the due process... We want it changed before we are the frail old pensioners who have lost track of their finances...

I applaud the MPs, the press and the family for highlighting this issue on behalf of all the vulnerable people being hassled by (some) bailiffs unfairly,

Sorry to go on, but I have been left breathless by this insensitivity - what if it was your parent or grandparent? Would that be ok? Even if it was "their time to die" is it the way to die? Would anyone be ok with their loved one dying in that way? Frightened and alone?

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Speedy

So basically you want his grandparents to suffer for something they had nothing to do with?

This topic is going purely off the stereotype of what a bailiff is, nevermind the fact that there are thousands of bailiffs out there that do a decent job and never intimadate anyone.

There are good and bad bailiffs same with any job, they dont all deserve to be tarred with the same brush.

There are crooked cops, are all cops scum.....NO
there are peadophile teachers, are all teachers scum....NO
there are bad bailiffs, are all bailiffs scum.....NO

Sorry for the rant but i know quite a few bailiffs and dont think they deserve to be called scum

bailiffs are scum.anybody who makes profit out of somebodies else misfortune in my book are scum.they are out of scum remember huncoat the one who attacked that old man.gives you an insight all baillifs ive known were wan#### and bullies always praaying on the vulnerable and their excuse they were only doin their job.thay are part of whats wrong with todays society part of the ramnants of thatchers facist regime..

[Speedy]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

bailiffs are scum.anybody who makes profit out of somebodies else misfortune in my book are scum.they are out of scum remember huncoat the one who attacked that old man.gives you an insight all baillifs ive known were wan#### and bullies always praaying on the vulnerable and their excuse they were only doin their job.thay are part of whats wrong with todays society part of the remnants of thatchers facist regime..

But they ARE only doing their job, and if you really believe bailiffs are part of whats wrong with todays society, imagine what society would be like without them, NO fines would EVER get paid, everyone would have HUGE debts without having to worry about paying them off.

I always thought accyweb was quite an open-minded place but the vast majority of you are just going off stereotypes and judging all bailiffs by that image that has been painted in your mind, why not try seeing that in every industry there are good and bad, bailiffs just have a job that make them easy for people to dislike.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by Speedy

Firstly the fact he didnt know the guy makes his opinion honest, you knew the guy so your opinion on the matter will obviously be influenced by that.

Secondly he said his wife nursed him, he never said she had gone into details about his case, for all you know he may have only found out about this after the incident occured.

Thirdly i respect everyone to have thier own point of view but IMO bringing his buisness into this is completely irrelevent and has nothing to do with this topic.

END OF RANT.

ps. RIP to the gentlemen in question.

To be honest, I think he's bringing his own business into it by the blatant advertisement with his sign in etc.

[emzy]

I agree that they were doing there job in visiting the bloke to get the money owed, although not sure how much this has been twisted but was he actually forced to get in their car and go to the cash machine? or did he do this voluntarily? If they forced him in the car to take him there then surely this would fall under the catagory of abduction (as so many people pointed out in the snowball boy case) They have a job to do that no one is really going to agree with, and some may use heavy handed techniques in order to get what is owed to the company that they work for (which i dont agree with) but this is just one highlighted case where tragedy has followed what they have done in order to get the fine payed. This is unfortunate, and my heart goes out to the family and friends of this bloke, but it has fallen into the typical stereotyping of someone, which does get up my nose. I know someone who used to be a bailiff, and he was one of the nicest blokes ever, so would be unfair to call him a bully etc, they arnt all the same.

[Pamperqueen]

Of course we need bailliffs and it would shake me to the core if I truly believed they were ALL bullies.

But you have to admit, we dont hear very much about what they do, not many people (especially the vulnerable) know their rights and I was very shocked to hear they could come to your door over petty matters like a speeding fine.

Surely these things should be handled sensitively in an open court room? And if a visit to a persons home is absolutely necessary shouldnt an independant official (someone whose not making money out of it) be there to amke sure everything is above board?

The way things are, untrained people, are getting cash for every door they get past. That cant be the way to encourage good bailliffs can it?

[emzy]

I think that if a fine like that isnt paid then the person should be summonsed to court and the matter sorted out that way, or i agree it should be supervised in some way, maybe by a police officer or cso

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by onlyme

To be honest, I think he's bringing his own business into it by the blatant advertisement with his sign in etc.

I am very sorry that this comment has appeared on the thread dedicated to Andy but he would have enjoyed this:
Smart arses who have very short memories regarding 'Blatant Advertising'
My link was put on here to draw comment, good or bad from the ones who are qualified to do so.
I have had a link to a previous website in my name for over two years and being perfectly honest I have not sold one thing from members on Accyweb. I have sold to a member on here but that was through contact on Ebay.
If I was informed by Mick or Roy to remove it, I would take it off.

Now, back to your comment.........remember this?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...out-41623.html

I dont think I need say anymore?

[cherokee]

This is a very unfortunate and sad situation. IMO this fella should never have been taken to a cash machine by the Bailiff. They could have easily made arrangments to call back for any monies due.
This was an elderly guy who wasnt in the best of health. If that bailiff had an ounce of decency, they could have contacted the fellas next of kin and had it sorted in no time. But instead they have chosen a route that makes them feel superior and sod the consequences.
If, as has been said "It was this fellas time to go" then maybe he could have passed away in his home surroundings had the Bailiff not hounded and pushed for an immediate payment. .
This isnt even a case of Jobsworth. Its a case of brownie points and nothing else. Would even guess that the said bailiff even put his foot in the front door as soon as the guy opened it.(which they are not allowed to do) But we,ll never know will we.
RIP "Owd fella"

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by emzy

I agree that they were doing there job in visiting the bloke to get the money owed, although not sure how much this has been twisted but was he actually forced to get in their car and go to the cash machine? or did he do this voluntarily? If they forced him in the car to take him there then surely this would fall under the catagory of abduction (as so many people pointed out in the snowball boy case) They have a job to do that no one is really going to agree with, and some may use heavy handed techniques in order to get what is owed to the company that they work for (which i dont agree with) but this is just one highlighted case where tragedy has followed what they have done in order to get the fine payed. This is unfortunate, and my heart goes out to the family and friends of this bloke, but it has fallen into the typical stereotyping of someone, which does get up my nose. I know someone who used to be a bailiff, and he was one of the nicest blokes ever, so would be unfair to call him a bully etc, they arnt all the same.

he used to be a bailiff why did he leave?ask him?

[BERNADETTE]

My brother-in-law took a job as a baliff and hated it. He hated going to collect money off people who so obviously couldn't afford, the fact that he was adding to their worries obviously affected him badly. Maybe to be a baliff you have to be immune to other peoples distress, something he could never be. What did tick him off equally were the people who could afford to just write a check out when they visited.