Petrol Boycott - Page 2

K.S.H · 10-07-2006, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

Thats more illegal what you've just put K.S.H. they could take that as slander as you've got no scientific evidence to back it up.

I couldn't give a toss if it is or not, I'd tell them myself if they asked me, I have done the test a few times and its my opinion that its crap, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
I never told anyone NOT to buy it, I told you to do the test yourself, don't you see this kind of thing on the TV ads everyday? fair enough they don't call the cometitive products crap but thats what there trying to say

KIPAX · 10-07-2006, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Madhatter

As far as I know spam is not illegal, show me where it says it's illegal and I'll be proved wrong..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12...law_goes_live/

i will let you google chainmail

note.. I have made no claim as to how effective the law is.. only that it is illegal.. while you tell everyone it isnt ?

andrewb · 10-07-2006, 19:45

To spam it you'd have to send it indiscriminately, you're sending it for a purpose to your friends, it's not spam.

KIPAX · 10-07-2006, 19:48

sending somehting to your friends isnt spam... thats pretty obvious.. I think your getting mixed up.. godfreys idea isnt spam and no one said it was....

oh dear.. you did read the thread yes ?: )

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 19:50

Ok you've showed me something that I didn't know about, not that it's followed. It seems daft to me, no wonder My paper kunk mail has soared , but thats online companies and this isn't an online company it's individuals.

I can't find anything that says chain mail is illegal, thats written, not clothing, unless it makes false claims or promises any kind of return, such as pyramid schemes. a straight email giving the recipient information and asking them for help boycott a company, and asking the person to forward it on isn't mentioned.

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 19:55

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Originally Posted by K.S.H

I couldn't give a toss if it is or not, I'd tell them myself if they asked me, I have done the test a few times and its my opinion that its crap, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
I never told anyone NOT to buy it, I told you to do the test yourself, don't you see this kind of thing on the TV ads everyday? fair enough they don't call the cometitive products crap but thats what there trying to say

LOL K.S.H you say it how it is, don't beat about the bush. It's crap.
I used to notice the same when I filled up at certain places too, save petrol made the car sluggish.

jambutty · 10-07-2006, 20:33

SPAM – an UNSOLICITED email that offers a service or something for sale.

However if at the head you declare that it will be the only email that the recipient will receive from you and there is a disclaimer at the end with a link to enable your email address to be removed from the database and you identify yourself with name and address, then it is not classed as SPAM. It becomes legitimate advertising.

However none of that is necessary if you write something like:
“My friends and me have decided not to buy petrol from any Esso or BP garage for the foreseeable future. We will only buy from Shell and supermarket garages instead. We are doing so in protest at the high pump prices. We reason that lack of sales of BP and Esso petrol throughout the UK will force those two companies to reassess their pricing policy. When they do it will put pressure on other petrol companies to do the same. The end result being a reduction in petrol prices at the pump.”

You will notice that nowhere does it invite the recipient to join the boycott. To do so could be classed as inviting collusion.

Incidentally who supplies the petrol for the various supermarkets? Surely Esso and BP are in there somewhere even if the brand name isn’t on the pumps. Has Shell got themselves a monopoly in supplying supermarkets?

Sadly the scheme is a non-starter except for a few dedicated people. People will say, “Yes! Great idea!” then come the next day they will have forgotten all about it and fill up as usual.

We, the general public, are a divided bunch and will cater to our own needs over and above the needs of anyone else.

The petrol companies and the government, if you pardon the phrase, “have us over a barrel.”

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 20:47

Is collusion of this type illegal in this country though?

KIPAX · 10-07-2006, 20:59

jambutty.. no one is saying the mail is SPAM ...

another one not had the good manners to read the thread...

the mail is chainmail not spam.. spam was added to the conversation as an aside by hatter and nothing to do with the original email.

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 21:13

In that case we're all agreed it's not spam, and chain mails aren't illegal, so whats the problem with it.

Retlaw · 10-07-2006, 21:15

Just one thing with your petrol revolt, go to any refinery and you will see tankers of all denominations going in empty coming out full. BP and ESSO, will just laugh.

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 21:15

all the supermarkets get their fuel of the large companies. there's bp, esso, shell, and a couple of others if I remember right.

jambutty · 10-07-2006, 21:18

Collusion to do someone harm is illegal Madhatter. As in conspiracy to defraud.

But I did read the opening post KIPAX and the thread and concluded that such an email could be seen as SPAM hence my response.

I wish you luck in your quest but I fear that it will be a wasted effort.

Madhatter · 10-07-2006, 21:26

probably why I mentioned it to.

It's not defrauding them though is it, your saying that if people don't buy their products they may lower the price as a result.
To ask for someone cooperation against rivals isn't illegal as far as I can see, unless you can find something. It says it is in the states though.

In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them — usually, to obtain property or services from him or her unjustly.
No ones being decieved.

jambutty · 10-07-2006, 21:43

I’m no lawyer but some smart mouthpiece could argue that preventing a person from selling their goods by asking others to boycott buying them can be construed as fraud and of course it is damaging them. No sales, no profit – ergo damaging the business.

I would like the scheme to succeed but we members of the public are not united so it has to fail in the end.

Sorry KIPAX and godfrey but that is my view.