Plus 21p. Wow! Big Deal!

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Neil

How about getting rid of this Government that year on year spend more than they raise in taxes?

I don't quite understand who votes for Labour....

[jambutty]

How would you quantify the amount of work done by a bus/train driver blazey? Is the driver working any harder when the bus/train is full than when it is almost empty?

Which job/profession is the most valuable to the community?

Is it the brain surgeon, lawyer, architect, policeman, shop assistant, the worker at the re-cycling yard, the worker at the landfill site, the power station worker, the plumber, electrician, bus driver, paramedic, the office/factory cleaner, the teacher, the people who take away the rubbish that is produced, the farmer, the car mechanic, fireman, librarian, GP, nurse, the brewer, the factory worker, the bank clerk etc?

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by emamum23

i once had a job where they paid me per day and it worked out as £1 and hour...... is that fair?

Maybe you should have moved to a different corner

[blazey]

Originally Posted by jambutty

How would you quantify the amount of work done by a bus/train driver blazey? Is the driver working any harder when the bus/train is full than when it is almost empty?

Which job/profession is the most valuable to the community?

Is it the brain surgeon, lawyer, architect, policeman, shop assistant, the worker at the re-cycling yard, the worker at the landfill site, the power station worker, the plumber, electrician, bus driver, paramedic, the office/factory cleaner, the teacher, the people who take away the rubbish that is produced, the farmer, the car mechanic, fireman, librarian, GP, nurse, the brewer, the factory worker, the bank clerk etc?

I'm not saying go off profession, i'm saying go off quality of work. A good bus driver would reach the stops when he should I expect and not have any complaints against him. Obviously some jobs have less variation in the effort needed than others.

Public services should always be paid more than any ordinary job though, which I see as police, fire service, teachers, nurses, the government, solicitors, judges etc... things that we need in order to achieve our rights I guess.

You speak as if you have always had a minimum wage. I'm not suggesting a step back, I'm suggesting a step forward.

I'd rather be differentiated as a person and given my worth than be given what is worth to me as part of an entire workforce. Where is my appreciation and respect in treating me as a number, as a faceless body? Do I not have individual value as a human being?

Where is the equality in being given a wage that is represents nothing of your worth?

[blazey]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Maybe you should have moved to a different corner

And even I think thats going a little bit too far!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by steeljack

Maybe you should have moved to a different corner

£1 is not bad, before tinkerbelle entered her second life and vanished from her first life she only used to earn 50p each punter - do a search for old thread on subject

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by blazey

And even I think thats going a little bit too far!

apologies for the flippancy , but just using it as an example , a worker is no different than a hooker , they sell their skills to the highest bidder , remember the old saying "there is no sympathy at work " no one is tied to a job , if you want more money move on , if the place down the street is paying 25p an hour more move on , you can be sure the Employers have no qualms about letting you go when business goes flat .

[blazey]

Originally Posted by steeljack

apologies for the flippancy , but just using it as an example , a worker is no different than a hooker , they sell their skills to the highest bidder , remember the old saying "there is no sympathy at work " no one is tied to a job , if you want more money move on , if the place down the street is paying 25p an hour more move on , you can be sure the Employers have no qualms about letting you go when business goes flat .

Yeh I never understood the loyalty to your employers thing. Very rarely you find a good employer who genuinely wants the best for their workforce.

[Boeing Guy]

Throwing my two cents in, I would not support a Maximum Wage, it would stiffle ambition, you only need to look at the history books and see all the great advances the USSR had, or not as the case may be.

However the current minimum wage is a joke. I was paid nearly 5 pounds an hour years ago in a nightclub as a barman.

One of the problems with this whole wage business is that those who deserve a better slice of the pie always lose out to those who are seen to be doing nothing worthwhile, hedge fund managers, stockbrokers, airline pilots, oppps.

That last one was a joke, I personally have paid for all my training and have spent the last 5 years trying to stay afloat, it has cost me lots and lots of money, I would rather not say how much, but i expect to get dammed well paid at the end of all of this.
Thats the crux of the matter, people who invest in themselves, through some kind of eduction, expect to earn more money than someone who has not. Eg a plummer rather than a shop worker. I am not suggesting that one is more important than the other, its just the way it is.

[jambutty]

Dare I suggest that the people most useful to the community as a whole are the people in the refuse disposal industry and the factory/office/street cleaner, not forgetting the human burial industry?

Without them we would be knee deep in rubbish with disease and vermin rife.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Dare I suggest that the people most useful to the community as a whole are the people in the refuse disposal industry and the factory/office/street cleaner, not forgetting the human burial industry?

Without them we would be knee deep in rubbish with disease and vermin rife.

Dare I suggest that wages on the whole, like any goods are based on supply and demand. The jobs that most people could do like you mentioned above tend to be paid less than say as mentioned above an airline pilot.

I am generally a fairly modest person but if being honest with myself I do class myself as an asset to my company. They reward my skills and knowledge with what I class as a good wage. You can not just walk out of school into my job, it has taken me years of training, both from the companies I have worked for and my own personal self training to make me into the person I am today. I am still and have never stopped learning and improving my skills to make be both faster and more efficient in my role. As an example if I have not been in work yesterday the company could have lost tens of thousands of pounds in non recoverable sales.

So yes I do expect to be rewarded more than some other professions.


On re-reading my post I want to point out that all that twoddle I wrote up their does not make me a better person than anyone else, just better at my particular profession than many other people.

[entwisi]

AOL

I've spent over 10 years learning, pushing myself and really putting the effort in to becoming the best WebSphere AppServer/MQ, Java/TAM/LDAP/etc geek I know.

I look after > 50 systems of which someof which on their own would cost my employers well over a million pounds a day if they aren't running and that doesn't even get near to damage to reputation.

I earn what most people would think is a lot of money but as Neil says considering the responibility and training etc that I have put in to do it I think I am paid a fair wage(more would of course be nice )

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[blazey]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Dare I suggest that the people most useful to the community as a whole are the people in the refuse disposal industry and the factory/office/street cleaner, not forgetting the human burial industry?

Without them we would be knee deep in rubbish with disease and vermin rife.

I suppose so, but perhaps if we had to live in squalor we would appreciate the concept of recycling more...

but saying that, the lads I live with don't so that's probably not true.

But yes I agree, the refuse disposal is vital. I'm not too sure about the human burial though... that is hardly something that people wouldn't happily do themselves for free if they had nobody to do it for them.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by blazey

that is hardly something that people wouldn't happily do themselves for free if they had nobody to do it for them.

Some are quite expert digging their own

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by Neil

£1 is not bad, before tinkerbelle entered her second life and vanished from her first life she only used to earn 50p each punter - do a search for old thread on subject

If i remember rightly you tried to get away with paying 25p?