Police Brutality? Policeman has conviction overturned! - Page 3

Barrie Yates · 23-11-2010, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

I'm sure someone will say 13 years of labour rule !!!!!

No, i remember "Police Brutality" in the '50s, when DS Sargeson dished out his own form of justice.
But, it did start to get worse with all the Liberal do-gooders, and the EU and the Civil Rights movement - what is food for the goose is also food for the gander.
Police powers have been severely restricted, therefore we have the rise in crime - or let us say law breaking. You can be arrested for obscene language directed at a PC but how often do you hear it around town and everyone ignores it.
How sad that so many of today's generations cannot express themselves without the use of obscene or profane language. The justice system needs to re-assess itself.
Give the police the powers back, build more prisons - remote islands off Scotland spring to mind, re-instate Borstals - protect the law abiding citizens and punish the guilty - real punishment, such as hard labour, breaking rocks into smaller rocks, digging big holes and then filling them in again.

jaysay · 23-11-2010, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

No, i remember "Police Brutality" in the '50s, when DS Sargeson dished out his own form of justice.
But, it did start to get worse with all the Liberal do-gooders, and the EU and the Civil Rights movement - what is food for the goose is also food for the gander.
Police powers have been severely restricted, therefore we have the rise in crime - or let us say law breaking. You can be arrested for obscene language directed at a PC but how often do you hear it around town and everyone ignores it.
How sad that so many of today's generations cannot express themselves without the use of obscene or profane language. The justice system needs to re-assess itself.
Give the police the powers back, build more prisons - remote islands off Scotland spring to mind, re-instate Borstals - protect the law abiding citizens and punish the guilty - real punishment, such as hard labour, breaking rocks into smaller rocks, digging big holes and then filling them in again.

Somebody talking sense have some green Barrie

Eric · 23-11-2010, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

No, i remember "Police Brutality" in the '50s, when DS Sargeson dished out his own form of justice.
But, it did start to get worse with all the Liberal do-gooders, and the EU and the Civil Rights movement - what is food for the goose is also food for the gander.
Police powers have been severely restricted, therefore we have the rise in crime - or let us say law breaking. You can be arrested for obscene language directed at a PC but how often do you hear it around town and everyone ignores it.
How sad that so many of today's generations cannot express themselves without the use of obscene or profane language. The justice system needs to re-assess itself.
Give the police the powers back, build more prisons - remote islands off Scotland spring to mind, re-instate Borstals - protect the law abiding citizens and punish the guilty - real punishment, such as hard labour, breaking rocks into smaller rocks, digging big holes and then filling them in again.

Is this for real

It reads like satire that doesn't work as it should. A little like Swift's "Modest Proposal" being taken seriously. Ok, liberal do-gooders are a pain in the ass, and the EU .... well, who gives a flying you-know-what about that. It's obvious to most of the world that the self-destruct has been engaged and the rest is, well, just a matter of time. But how can you lump civil rights in with them.

One of great benefits of living in the US and Canada is our civil rights legislation. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, enforced by an independent Supreme Court. If one doesn't have civil rights, how can one be protected from the excesses of government?

And what "police powers" have been restricted? Their only "power" is to enforce the law. How they do this is subject to government supervision and control: use of tasers and lethal force are examples. So, maybe it's the lawmakers who should be in focus.

I can't see that obscene language is a problem ... sticks and stones etc. ... although I am surprised that swearing at a copper is illegal in the UK.

And building more prisons .... getting a little Dickensian here .... and hard labour, longer sentences, and let's throw in capital punishment (works in the US does it not .... keeps the number of firearm murders down to about 12,000 a year, whoopee ding. Problem with these simplistic soulutions is that they don't work.

Puritans were opposed to bear-baiting, not because of the pain it gave to the bear; but because of the pleasure it gave to the spectators.

cashman · 23-11-2010, 22:52

no need to build more prisons, just adequate sentences are required, P.D. or Hard Labour should be re-introduced fer violent/persistant scumbags, agree wi bringing back Borstals etc for younger offenders, a great example of the soft soap approach was on the news tonight, "Venables" the inquiry said he would have had to be under supervision 24 hrs a day to prevent the murdering sod downloading child porn, n that wasn't viable cos it was too expensive,

no mention at all that this piece of crap Should Not Have Been Released in the first place.

Eric · 23-11-2010, 23:51

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Originally Posted by cashman

no need to build more prisons, just adequate sentences are required, P.D. or Hard Labour should be re-introduced fer violent/persistant scumbags, agree wi bringing back Borstals etc for younger offenders, a great example of the soft soap approach was on the news tonight, "Venables" the inquiry said he would have had to be under supervision 24 hrs a day to prevent the murdering sod downloading child porn, n that wasn't viable cos it was too expensive,

no mention at all that this piece of crap Should Not Have Been Released in the first place.

Agree with the adequate sentence thing ... I like the idea of a judge being able to declare someone a "dangerous offender" and face real life ... no chance of parole, subject of course to appeal. And I really agree that a lot of thought has to be given to young offenders; it's a big issue over here too. Am I to understand that inmates in UK gaols have access to the internet

The other stuff: well, I know that it doesn't work, or, more precisely, it hasn't worked up till now and I suspect it never will. But if it makes folks feel better, and deflects their attention from the fact that the economy is going down the tubes, go for it.

jaysay · 24-11-2010, 10:04

I Still think they have it right in the states was watching a documentary the other day and one guy a serial killer was sentenced to 557 years in prison + 30 years for an unrelated offence, you quite often here life sentences being given without the chance of parole, thats the ay it should be

***Mr D*** · 24-11-2010, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Police powers have been severely restricted, therefore we have the rise in crime - or let us say law breaking.

You can be arrested for obscene language directed at a PC but how often do you hear it around town and everyone ignores it.

Nothing to do with Police powers, crime rises and falls. although with new STATUTES more crimes (that really arnt crimes) will go on record.

IMO and "Trained" office should not rise to the occassion with language and take it on the chin I mean what harm is really done.

How much language is there at a football game, directed at one perticular person who dresses in black, he seems to manage to ignore it.

cashman · 24-11-2010, 15:38

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Nothing to do with Police powers, crime rises and falls. although with new STATUTES more crimes (that really arnt crimes) will go on record.

IMO and "Trained" office should not rise to the occassion with language and take it on the chin I mean what harm is really done.

How much language is there at a football game, directed at one perticular person who dresses in black, he seems to manage to ignore it.

you can't go to many football matches if ya think refs ignore it, i know of quite a few players would argue that point wi ya, very poor example.

***Mr D*** · 24-11-2010, 15:51

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Originally Posted by cashman

you can't go to many football matches if ya think refs ignore it, i know of quite a few players would argue that point wi ya, very poor example.

Your Correct I dont go to football matches.

Ok matbe not ignore it, but he doesnt rise to the provication. He takes it on the chin.

(Part of the job description).

Benipete · 24-11-2010, 16:48

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Nothing to do with Police powers, crime rises and falls. although with new STATUTES more crimes (that really arnt crimes) will go on record.

IMO and "Trained" office should not rise to the occassion with language and take it on the chin I mean what harm is really done.

How much language is there at a football game, directed at one perticular person who dresses in black, he seems to manage to ignore it.

That is only because the referee is well aware that he is a "Love Child"

Barrie Yates · 24-11-2010, 17:39

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Your Correct I dont go to football matches.

Ok matbe not ignore it, but he doesnt rise to the provication. He takes it on the chin.

(Part of the job description).

The first match I played in - an RAF Cup match, after the FA instructed Referees to clamp down on bad language, RAF Abingdon, a team full of PTIs had 2 players sent off for that offence.
A poor choice of example - if you cannot express yourself in our wonderful language without reverting to profane and obscene language - then you should have paid more attention at school.

jaysay · 24-11-2010, 18:49

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Nothing to do with Police powers, crime rises and falls. although with new STATUTES more crimes (that really arnt crimes) will go on record.

IMO and "Trained" office should not rise to the occassion with language and take it on the chin I mean what harm is really done.

How much language is there at a football game, directed at one perticular person who dresses in black, he seems to manage to ignore it.

Ya but they usually have there hearing dog in the changing room