Police Probe Vote Rigging Complaints

[Gordie]

Any wrong doings by Asians is never excepted by there own. They always try and twist any wrong doing.(Theres a ship rigged ready in the harbour ) Roger whitaker song

[g jones]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Of, as Mani said earlier, both pot and kettle are as black as each other that doesn't give me much confidence in voting for anyone in this Ward in future. No wonder nothing ever gets done if it's all this petty squabbling. It's worse than "The House of Cards".

I think you're right to be skeptical. However I have just done jury service with a 'he says, she says' and the only way to get to the truth is to have it all out in the open. It's not pleasant and it is frustrating. That's my belief. As any barrister would say, its not how you got there, but where you ended up that is important.

[blazey]

Graham I think you looked bad today on the front page of the Observer. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and accept the result, even if it doesn't match your theory. You can't win every battle.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

The difference being some councillors want it to be investigated by the police and say no more, others jump the gun and scream fraud.

Have you been privy to some more information, since your post on the second of June?

Then you said, and I quote, 'Having now read the article it is nice to see our public officials acting responsibly and not accusing electoral fraud publicly before an investigation is finished.'

You certainly made no mention of anyone jumping on the bandwagon, and screaming fraud.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Have you been privy to some more information, since your post on the second of June?

Then you said, and I quote, 'Having now read the article it is nice to see our public officials acting responsibly and not accusing electoral fraud publicly before an investigation is finished.'

You certainly made no mention of anyone jumping on the bandwagon, and screaming fraud.

The article I had read and was referring to was this one: Cops probe vote rig complaints - News - Accrington Observer

My comment was made as a sarcastic remark.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by blazey

Graham I think you looked bad today on the front page of the Observer.

Didn't think my photo was that bad!!!!!! Obviously I'll have to get down to boots in the morning for some fresh make up!!

Originally Posted by blazey

Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and accept the result, even if it doesn't match your theory. You can't win every battle.

There is no theory. Significant changes in proxy voting can only be put down to fraud. There was an impersonal debate not naming anyone (As the Ob reported and AndrewB applauded at the time), until Allah Dad launched himself into the 'I am the victim mode', whilst ironically around the back making allegations about the other 2 candidates. First of all Labour when he thought they would win, then the LibDems when he thought they would win.

Blazey and Bernadette. I find your position quite difficult now. 'Calling for apologies' and asking people to 'lead by example' puts all the pressure on Allah Dad and The Conservatives to apologise to Tariq Ali for all the allegations they made.

I believe no-one should be apologising. Fraud took place. It was reported correctly. There was an investigation in which the Police couldn't find the evidence that is out there. It's a failure by those guilty to come forward and the Police for failing to gather the evidence.

[Lilly]

Originally Posted by g jones

Didn't think my photo was that bad!!!!!! Obviously I'll have to get down to boots in the morning for some fresh make up!!



There is no theory. Significant changes in proxy voting can only be put down to fraud. There was an impersonal debate not naming anyone (As the Ob reported and AndrewB applauded at the time), until Allah Dad launched himself into the 'I am the victim mode', whilst ironically around the back making allegations about the other 2 candidates. First of all Labour when he thought they would win, then the LibDems when he thought they would win.

Blazey and Bernadette. I find your position quite difficult now. 'Calling for apologies' and asking people to 'lead by example' puts all the pressure on Allah Dad and The Conservatives to apologise to Tariq Ali for all the allegations they made.

I believe no-one should be apologising. Fraud took place. It was reported correctly. There was an investigation in which the Police couldn't find the evidence that is out there. It's a failure by those guilty to come forward and the Police for failing to gather the evidence.

Hello and welcome back.

Hope you enjoyed your jury service....you'll know all about 'he says, she says' with you being involved in local politics, won't you?

A police investigation has declared that no fraud took place. I think that means it's over and done with. No point going on about it.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by Lilly

A police investigation has declared that no fraud took place. I think that means it's over and done with. No point going on about it.

The Police could not find anyone willing to come forward. No-one ever said there was no-evidence or no fraud.

Every reason why this should be brought up. Its the fourth election where it has happened. I hope you will come out with me and condemn the cheats.

After next week it should die down.

[Lilly]

Originally Posted by g jones

The Police could not find anyone willing to come forward. No-one ever said there was no-evidence or no fraud.

Every reason why this should be brought up. Its the fourth election where it has happened. I hope you will come out with me and condemn the cheats.

After next week it should die down.

The way the Observer put it was that there was no evidence of irregularities. That was after a police investigation so will have to be accepted.

[cmonstanley]

no smoke without fire comes to mind..cyfr and blazey trying to play the party line with local politics when they dont know what they are talking about

[Neil]

Originally Posted by g jones

Significant changes in proxy voting can only be put down to fraud.

There are 2 ways of looking at that.

1. Fraud took place.

2. More people are deciding to vote that way as it is easier for them if they work / are on holiday / ill health etc.

I really do hope number 2 is what happened because I would hate to think anything illegal did go on.

I suspect the next election will show an even higher number of proxy votes.

[Neil]

Graham, please can you explain exactly what proxy voting is and why it is used. I think I know but would like to be sure so I can then understand how it can be abused.

[MargaretR]

When darwendosser and I lived together, I was given proxy voting rights for him because he was a long distance lorry driver and was likely to be away from home on voting day

[Lilly]

Originally Posted by Neil

Graham, please can you explain exactly what proxy voting is and why it is used. I think I know but would like to be sure so I can then understand how it can be abused.

There is an explanation of proxy voting here, Neil.

Voting by proxy - About my vote, produced by The Electoral Commission

Proxy voting is when you can nominate someone else to go to the polling station and vote on your behalf if you are unable to attend yourself. One of the reasons is that you might be on holiday but there is a list of reasons in the link.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

Graham, please can you explain exactly what proxy voting is and why it is used. I think I know but would like to be sure so I can then understand how it can be abused.

Its quite easy really Neil, you give some one else the right to cast a vote on your behalf, at the polling station, you can even have a postal proxy, or you could? Needless to say I would note be asking Graham to stand proxy for me