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jaysay · 30-01-2009, 12:53

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.

I'm talking from a point of view that I have never found the need to take illegal substances of any kind, if there was no danger in smoking cannabis then it wouldn't be classed as being harmful. I have used alcohol since I was 16 and am now 62 and have never been dependant on that either, I also smoked tobacco too, but gave that up 31 years ago on the 26th Jan 1978. So we will have to differ on substance abuse, if you want to smoke the stuff carry on its you body and your health that's at stake, not mine

***Mr D*** · 30-01-2009, 13:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I'm talking from a point of view that I have never found the need to take illegal substances of any kind, if there was no danger in smoking cannabis then it wouldn't be classed as being harmful. I have used alcohol since I was 16 and am now 62 and have never been dependant on that either, I also smoked tobacco too, but gave that up 31 years ago on the 26th Jan 1978. So we will have to differ on substance abuse, if you want to smoke the stuff carry on its you body and your health that's at stake, not mine

But you stated.

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

Thats stating, People who smoke cannabis are already on the downward spiral and WILL use hard drugs. Not True.

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Originally Posted by jaysay

but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine

How does this work then.

emamum · 30-01-2009, 13:15

jaysay.... i think what mr d is trying to say is that saying that if you smoke cannabis you will start taking hard drugs is like saying that all smokers will start smoking cannabis
does that make sense?

***Mr D*** · 30-01-2009, 13:16

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Originally Posted by emamum

jaysay.... i think what mr d is trying to say is that saying that if you smoke cannabis you will start taking hard drugs is like saying that all smokers will start smoking cannabis
does that make sense?

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth.

emamum · 30-01-2009, 13:20

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth.

i really wouldnt recommend drinking absinth

garinda · 30-01-2009, 13:24

Blimey, the argument from some of the pro-canabis brigade seems quite aggressive.

cashman · 30-01-2009, 13:36

with mrd on this, as one who smoked cannabis from mid 60s to 73 ish pretty regular, i never found the need to graduate to "Hard Drugs" heavy abuse of any substance leads to complications, any fool, except a government fool is aware of that i imagine.i reckon anyone who has used it, (not to extremes) would say there is more pluses than minuses to it.

jaysay · 30-01-2009, 13:46

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Originally Posted by cashman

with mrd on this, as one who smoked cannabis from mid 60s to 73 ish pretty regular, i never found the need to graduate to "Hard Drugs" heavy abuse of any substance leads to complications, any fool, except a government fool is aware of that i imagine.i reckon anyone who has used it, (not to extremes) would say there is more pluses than minuses to it.

Ya cashy but you had will power

jaysay · 30-01-2009, 13:47

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth.

Whats it like with coke (the drink that is)

***Mr D*** · 30-01-2009, 13:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Whats it like with coke (the drink that is)

A bit to fizzy. and it alters the taste.

cashman · 30-01-2009, 13:51

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya cashy but you had will power

I Beg Your Pardon? never had a bloke in me life.

MargaretR · 30-01-2009, 13:55

Far more people are addicted to painkillers than cannabis, and their bodies are more damaged by those painkillers
The silent addiction to everyday painkillers | Mail Online

That very strong painkiller that you say you take, Jaysay, will be an 'opium derivative' - which translates to 'having the chemical constituents of opium' but more costly because it is manufactured and sold to the Nhs at an exhorbitant cost by pharmacutical companies.
If you had to pay for those painkillers you may well find that it would work out cheaper to grow poppies

garinda · 30-01-2009, 14:10

Of course not every user of canabis is going to go on to harder drugs, just as all those who drink alcohol don't all become alcoholics.

What I do know is that every smack head I've known started off on the wacky-backy. Fact.

Personally I think it should be legalised, because like prostitution, legal or illegal, it isn't going to go away, and with a legal status it's safety could be controlled to some extent...plus the government could raise lots of taxes from all those dope users.

***Mr D*** · 30-01-2009, 14:18

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Originally Posted by garinda

Of course not every user of canabis is going to go on to harder drugs, just as all those who drink alcohol don't all become alcoholics.

What I do know is that every smack head I've known started off on the wacky-backy. Fact.

Personally I think it should be legalised, because like prostitution, legal or illegal, it isn't going to go away, and with a legal status it's safety could be controlled to some extent...plus the government could raise lots of taxes from all those dope users.

Supprising as it sounds I dont want cannabis to be legalised.

I would go for decramanilisation (SP).
In my view rules like this would be better.

You can possess a certain amount on your person in Public.
You can possess a larger amount kept on your premises.
You can cultivate a certain number of plants for Personall use only.
You cannot smoke it in a public area

All the smack heads I know also started of on the drink - Fact.

Morecambe Ex Pat · 30-01-2009, 14:27

Just to play devil's advocate
All the smack heads I know started on baby milk

There has always been the lame argument that once a person tries cannabis that they will automatically move on to stronger drugs. Many users of the stronger drugs, who I have known personally, did start on cannabis and then moved on to the stronger stuff but they would have gone in that direction anyway. It wasn't the cannabis that turned them into cocaine addicts but their personalities which drove them to find something that was missing from their lives. I am not saying that cannabis is 100% safe because any 'poison' you inflict on your body has to have some effect but there is more danger from the tobacco in a joint than there is from the cannabis. The obvious answer is to leave both well alone but if that doesn't get you, the artificial additives and preservatives in the food we eat probably will. They won't ban them because they are for our own good.
I think there is a greater danger to modern drinkers who quaff these alcopop type drinks and energetically dance in a crowded night club. Dehydration with a high concentration of alcohol in your system is a great problem and can lead to some serious organ damage.