Political Correctness.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Eric

Henry Tudor was as Lancastrian as the Queen of Tonga's t**s. The Duke of Buckingham had a better claim than he had.

Get over it Eric.. you got done in the end..and Henry married some york slut to create the RED and white rose of the Tudors.. Yorkshire got done good "n" proper

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by Eric

Henry Tudor was as Lancastrian as the Queen of Tonga's t**s. The Duke of Buckingham had a better claim than he had.

'funny' how she made such a deep impression on a whole generation, ask a question ....."what do you remember of the Coronation ?" and invariably the answer is Queen Salote (sp?)

[Eric]

Originally Posted by steeljack

'funny' how she made such a deep impression on a whole generation, ask a question ....."what do you remember of the Coronation ?" and invariably the answer is Queen Salote (sp?)

No she wasn't spanish But: just because Henry V's widow decided to try some time in the sack with Owen Glendower does not produce a legitimate Lancastrian line. (Henry V's claim to the thro' John of Gaunt is pretty shakey too. If Edward III had kept it in his pants a little more the problem would not have arisen.)

The only successful politically correct position in the late middle ages was to support the meanest son of a bitch with the biggest sword.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Oooh are we going to have a thread wander about the Wars of the Roses? My favourite period of history. Although born a Lancashire lass I'm a Ricardian at heart.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by garinda

I too hate the term 'the Poitically Correct Brigade'. Referring to it as if it is an actual body, something you can sign up and join like the Boy's Brigade.

You can..........I'ts called the Labour Party.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Royboy39

You can..........I'ts called the Labour Party.

By the 'Labour Party' I take it you mean the 'hug-a-hoodie' New Conservative Party, rather than New Labour?

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by garinda

By the 'Labour Party' I take it you mean the 'hug-a-hoodie' New Conservative Party, rather than New Labour?

Labour/New Labour, still a bunch of dollopers.
I hug nobody's hoodie.

[Gayle]

Political correctness is more of a concept than anything else.

Of course, it's just general niceness to be polite to everyone and if we all did that there would be no such thing as PC. Unfortunately, not everyone is as polite as we would hope - think back to the 70s and 80s when no one thought there was anything wrong with Irish jokes and the Black and White Minstrel show - sometimes we're inconsiderate without meaning to be rude but surely most people can see now how these could cause offence.

I work quite often with BME groups and there are a couple of people who I call my 'cultural ambassadors' as they don't mind if I ask them daft questions - they do the same in return. I was once told by a friend that there was no way that I could offend her because she knew that the question that I was asking was out of ignorance and not a desire to offend.

I think we've got to a point where we're so afraid to ask or cause offence that we actually do it unintentionally.

As for Winterfest - devout Muslims I know were just as horrified as Christians were by that because devout religious people, on the whole, accept other religious people as kindred spirits even if it's a different religion.

[Stanaccy]

The point I was trying to make was that political correctness is really just manners. Statements like "play the white man" "I didn't come over on the last banana boat" and "mind your backs boys".

Not funny not clever and just insulting.

Things like not calling Christmas, Easter et al by their correct names is just plain stupid and not political correctness but just some numpties taking one idea a lot too far.

Multiculturalism is accepting everybodies culture as well as your own not at the expense of your own.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Stanaccy...I like your last sentence and I think it is very relevant...but as far as saying that some of the phrases you have quoted are insulting and harmful......they are just cliches that are the currency of everyday speech and we should not be taking offence at them, unless of course they are used
pointedly (I'm not sure if you get what I mean by that....but if you were to say to a group of non-white people 'play the white man'...then they might take offence....but then again they might not...it all depends on the situation and the circumstances). I think it is so easy to cause offence by pussy footing around so that the people you are trying NOT to offend, realise that YOU see them as different. Differences should be accepted and celebrated. Multiculturalism has done more to harm relationships within communities than anything else, because some of the methods employed have meant that other cultures have been celebrated at the expense of our own

[Margaret Pilkington]

And I don't think that I should have to accept someone else's culture......the fact that they are allowed to celebrate their culture says a lot about us in this country.
I have no wish to celebrate Eid/Yom Kippur/Ramadan/Diwali or any other religions festivals, but I have no qualms about those who do want to celebrate them, to do so.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think it is so easy to cause offence by pussy footing around so that the people you are trying NOT to offend, realise that YOU see them as different. Differences should be accepted and celebrated.

I absolutely agree Margaret. Acknowledging our differences is not racist and yet some people insist on seeing it as such. I personally do feel it is more offensive to people to pussyfoot around and have to keep thinking "I can't say this." or "I can't do that." because there is a black, white, Asian, Chinese person here who may take offence. Why can't we treat skin colour and ethnicity in the same way that we treat eye colour and shoe sizes?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I absolutely agree Margaret. Acknowledging our differences is not racist and yet some people insist on seeing it as such. I personally do feel it is more offensive to people to pussyfoot around and have to keep thinking "I can't say this." or "I can't do that." because there is a black, white, Asian, Chinese person here who may take offence. Why can't we treat skin colour and ethnicity in the same way that we treat eye colour and shoe sizes?

I think it is both patronising, and divisive, that we apparently have three salaried posts on Hyndburn Borough Council, whose primary concern is the welfare of ethnic minorities, and it drives me insane to have a language other than English on both their website and all other offical documents.

Community Advice Centre

I would also levy the same criticism if HBC employed a designated women's/gay and lesbian/elderly or young person's officer. Community should be about being all inclusive, and not as stated earlier, divisive.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think it is both patronising, and divisive, that we apparently have three salaried posts on Hyndburn Borough Council, whose primary concern is the welfare of ethnic minorities, and it drives me insane to have a language other than English on both their website and all other offical documents.

Community Advice Centre

I would also levy the same criticism if HBC employed a designated women's/gay and lesbian/elderly or young person's officer. Community should be about being all inclusive, and not as stated earlier, divisive.

Language does not have to be divisive. Altho' there are still murmurings about separatism in Quebec, it seems like the issue has cooled off significantly. It is possible to be all inclusive and still recognize a large highly populated region of one's country as a "distinct society." Not easy, but possible ...

However, I do have to admit that the French were here before the English. And the First Nations people predate the French. Because we Canadians are constantly in the process of reinventing our country, it makes for a healthy committed society. If being Canadian were as easy as breathing, it would be boring.

By the way, it might be an idea if your municipal govt. offered services in dialect

[Ianto.W.]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Get over it Eric.. you got done in the end..and Henry married some york slut to create the RED and white rose of the Tudors.. Yorkshire got done good "n" proper

Like I said before Mancie we Yorkshiremen were sent over here to breed some common sense into you Lancastrians, but we can't be expected to get it right all of the time, there are those that slip through the net.