Political spin off from No finger lickin' bacon in Accy Thread - Page 2

Wynonie Harris · 13-04-2010, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Let's not confuse attacking party policy with general frustration against stupidity, as demonstrated by my 'tirades' against the PC Brigade. Organisations who keep making new rules to appease supposedly oppressed minorities

So where does political correctness come from? Out of thin air? From popular demand? No, it comes from politicians and governments, including the one you support, who were quite happy to make a new rule on women-only shortlists. It's no good standing shoulder to shoulder with your comrades in the Labour party, then coming on like a Daily Mail comment writer on Accyweb.

Are you sure the Labour party's quite the right place for you, because it seems to me that I'm more of a leftwing liberal than you on issues like immigration. For instance, if I went into a KFC and the clientele was largely Asian, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, whereas to you it's "symptomatic of the needlessly correct political nightmare we're sliding into."

Possibly, a period of reflection might be in order, Ken?

Ken Moss · 14-04-2010, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Public opinion has always been against PC madness. Unfortunately, the people who lead the party you're a member of, are determined to carry on with their social engineering, regardless.

Thus opening the floor for a healthy debate, but the PC decisions you have laid at Labour's door are unlikely ever to be swayed by my input anyway so it isn't something I spend much time trying to change. In today's world, I can't imagine that any party would be totally immune from making decisions which could be viewed as 'PC gone mad'.

I recently found myself in a position where I was inadvertently breaking HBC health and safety regulations, guidelines set in place by a Conservative administration. It needled me and the poor official who dealt with me got rather an abrasive reply but I made my position clear on the matter and exempted myself to change a situation which directly affected me. That was a situation where I could actually alter something which I found to be needlessly PC but it was a remarkably rare instance.

There's also the difference between local issues and national issues, which is so chasmic that I'd rather leave Westminster to the people who want to get involved at that level. As it stands now, I have no desire to actively pursue issues beyond Hyndburn.

Wynonie Harris · 14-04-2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Thus opening the floor for a healthy debate, but the PC decisions you have laid at Labour's door are unlikely ever to be swayed by my input anyway so it isn't something I spend much time trying to change. In today's world, I can't imagine that any party would be totally immune from making decisions which could be viewed as 'PC gone mad'.

I recently found myself in a position where I was inadvertently breaking HBC health and safety regulations, guidelines set in place by a Conservative administration. It needled me and the poor official who dealt with me got rather an abrasive reply but I made my position clear on the matter and exempted myself to change a situation which directly affected me. That was a situation where I could actually alter something which I found to be needlessly PC but it was a remarkably rare instance.

There's also the difference between local issues and national issues, which is so chasmic that I'd rather leave Westminster to the people who want to get involved at that level. As it stands now, I have no desire to actively pursue issues beyond Hyndburn.

Would agree without a doubt that the Tories are just as bad on PC issues. As for the local/national issues debate, well, I predicted you'd say that!

Ken Moss · 14-04-2010, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Would agree without a doubt that the Tories are just as bad on PC issues. As for the local/national issues debate, well, I predicted you'd say that!

At the risk of venturing even further off-topic than we already are, I'm really honestly not that concerned with any issues beyond Hyndburn, or even Rishton if you want me to be specific. The whole point of me standing as a local councillor is to improve the village around me and put right problems that I might actually stand a chance of having some say over.

I'll leave the business of being an MP to Graham Jones, someone who is far better suited to those matters than I am.

You've tagged me with a great catchphrase though, and I didn't even come up with it!

Wynonie Harris · 14-04-2010, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

You've tagged me with a great catchphrase though, and I didn't even come up with it!

Every great politician needs a catchphrase...whether they said it or not ("The pound in your pocket...", "The lady's not for turning..." ect)!

Just happy to help!

jaysay · 14-04-2010, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

At the risk of venturing even further off-topic than we already are, I'm really honestly not that concerned with any issues beyond Hyndburn, or even Rishton if you want me to be specific. The whole point of me standing as a local councillor is to improve the village around me and put right problems that I might actually stand a chance of having some say over.

I'll leave the business of being an MP to Graham Jones, someone who is far better suited to those matters than I am.

You've tagged me with a great catchphrase though, and I didn't even come up with it!

No doubt Grahams told you that, he's been telling us for years

Ken Moss · 14-04-2010, 15:09

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Originally Posted by jaysay

No doubt Grahams told you that, he's been telling us for years

He's certainly not told me that he'd make a better MP than me, I made that deduction by listening to him talk. I'm sure Karen Buckley is a decent enough candidate but I'm rooting for Graham, and I'd still be rooting for Graham if Cllr Britcliffe had been selected instead.

As I've said before, I don't mind anyone having different opinions but start getting rude or personal to try and win favour and you've lost all respect from me, which is why the nasty Tory attitude in Hyndburn has turned me firmly against them. The Observer letter aside, watching Cllr Britcliffe's lamentable display in the council chamber last month demonstrated that he is not someone I would choose to represent us in Westminster.

We're supposed to be on about dodgy bacon!

acertun · 27-04-2010, 13:26

You can be rude and you can be nasty but you can also be Right

cashman · 27-04-2010, 13:38

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Originally Posted by acertun

You can be rude and you can be nasty but you can also be Right

True, but then yer point is lost in many peoples eyes.

jaysay · 27-04-2010, 14:45

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Originally Posted by cashman

True, but then yer point is lost in many peoples eyes.

He's far too deep for thee and me cashy

Barrie Yates · 27-04-2010, 17:09

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Originally Posted by jaysay

He's far too deep for thee and me cashy

Me too!!!!!!

DaveinGermany · 27-04-2010, 17:23

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Originally Posted by acertun

You can be rude and you can be nasty but you can also be Right

I think that he's responding to Kens' post ? And one would assume he isn't a fan of Labour. Thereby meaning the comments (?) passed by the Tory reps were rude & nasty, but he seems to think they applied ?

That would be my understanding of the situation. Still, I'm just an outsider nosing in so what do I know ?

Ken Moss · 28-04-2010, 10:06

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I think that he's responding to Kens' post ? And one would assume he isn't a fan of Labour. Thereby meaning the comments (?) passed by the Tory reps were rude & nasty, but he seems to think they applied ?

That would be my understanding of the situation. Still, I'm just an outsider nosing in so what do I know ?

Patently more than someone who lives here but is too scared to take the blinkers off.