Politics. - Page 2

jaysay · 23-12-2008, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Eric

Going out on a limb here, I think that the only person ever to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes

And even he failed

Eric · 23-12-2008, 19:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay

And even he failed

Only because technology had not caught up with his ideas .... much more difficult getting barrels of gunpowder into the basement, than smuggling in a few pounds of plastic ......

jaysay · 24-12-2008, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Eric

Only because technology had not caught up with his ideas .... much more difficult getting barrels of gunpowder into the basement, than smuggling in a few pounds of plastic ......

Ya Eric but they didn't have anti-terror police lurking all around to arrest Government decenters either

Gordie · 26-12-2008, 17:36

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Originally Posted by steeljack

Churchill was nothing more than an opportunist who changed allegiances with the wind .
Funny how few of the biographies of the "great man" mention his role as Colonial Secretary and his allowing Bomber Harris and the RAF to use poison gas against the Iraqi Kurds during the 20s (Seem to remember another chap got hung a couple of years ago for doing the same).
If anyone is to blame for the debacle in modern day Iraq it can be layed fairly and squarely at Churchills feet , it was his decision to create an artifical country out of three distinct and separate Turkish villyats, divided by race and religon. It was his decision to place one of the foriegn Hassemite princes on the Iraqi throne ,which led to the creation of Baath party and ultimatly Saddam Hussien .

In your words nothing more than an opportunist.Funny how people like you
can find plenty of faults years after events.A man who never makes a mistake never does anything.A man who makes many mistakes does many things.If Winston would have never been born it would possibly be likely
that you and I would never have had the oppurtunity to even type these quotes.

Gordie · 26-12-2008, 17:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Coming from you Gordie, would have expected Enoch Powell to be one of your heros

In a poll taken shortly after the speech of Birmingham 74% of the British electorate supported Enoch so I guess he would be the hero to many people

Taggy · 26-12-2008, 17:45

Hindsight is always one of the most treasured possesions of a Tap Room Genius!

Best Regards - Taggy

Eric · 26-12-2008, 18:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya Eric but they didn't have anti-terror police lurking all around to arrest Government decenters either

Ok, but modern dissenters don't have to fear hanging, drawing, and quartering ... that's a deterrent that I'm surprised some of you guys haven't suggested to deal with society's scum ... fun stuff, that HDQ ... and don't forget boiling in oil and burning at the stake

yerself · 26-12-2008, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Gayle

If that's the case then i think that elected members in opposition have to remember that if they want to win then they need to win over anyone who is likely to switch allegiance.

In Labour's case a whole party switched allegiance to gain power. They adopted Conservative policies but still called themselves the Labour Party.

cmonstanley · 26-12-2008, 22:03

ha ha ha ill be doin that tomorrow because its christmas

areested for doin the hokykoky ha ha

derekgas · 26-12-2008, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Taggy

We usually vote to bring into power someone whose ideas we believe in, or to keep out someone whose ideas we dont. But lets face it whichever way we vote, if we are totally honest, in the long run dont we always end up dissapointed. I think most people enter politics with honourable ideas and motives. However once entrenched into the "system" they either become downtrodden and disheartend by red tape, or corrupted by power. Some of them of course are just completely incompetant. Now when you get the combination of the Corrupt leading the incompetant or visa versa we end up with a situation where no one can see the wood for the trees. The Greed of certain people is then allowed to flourish. We've seen this also in our once respected financial institutions. It used to be said that Estate Agents were our most hated profession, Perhaps they now come third behind Politicians and Bankers!

Best Regards - Taggy

Agreed!

derekgas · 26-12-2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Eric

Ok, but modern dissenters don't have to fear hanging, drawing, and quartering ... that's a deterrent that I'm surprised some of you guys haven't suggested to deal with society's scum ... fun stuff, that HDQ ... and don't forget boiling in oil and burning at the stake

I have suggested most of these, and more, I think cashy probably has too! Will never get anwhere near effective deterrent in this country, unless we hang, draw and quarter the do gooders and human rights brigade first!

jaysay · 27-12-2008, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Gordie

In a poll taken shortly after the speech of Birmingham 74% of the British electorate supported Enoch so I guess he would be the hero to many people

Were you even born then, don't think you were one of the 74%

Taggy · 27-12-2008, 11:52

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Were you even born then, don't think you were one of the 74%

Would be very interesting to see what the percentage would be today!

Best Regards - Taggy

SPUGGIE J · 27-12-2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by derekgas

I have suggested most of these, and more, I think cashy probably has too! Will never get anwhere near effective deterrent in this country, unless we hang, draw and quarter the do gooders and human rights brigade first!

I will vote for that one DG.

Do we really need told how we should raise our families by a bunch of arrogant rusty sherrif badges? It dosnt matter who you vote for most are as bad as each other but providing you use that right then you can have a clear concience.

The biggest problem in politics comes from those that think they know better but are not willing to put up and try and change what irks them. In this day and age it is the faceless minority that have the ear of polititions that are making are lives so unsure and I dont just mean bankers and financiers. Some day in the future we will realise that we have handed our lives to the faceless and the equivilent of Judge Dredd will run our lives. We will never have the utopia we want but while we have politics and a say we still have some control.

jaysay · 28-12-2008, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Taggy

Would be very interesting to see what the percentage would be today!

Best Regards - Taggy

That would be hard to quantify today Taggy, the context that Powell used at the time of the speech would have a far different meaning today and the arguments would take an whole new meaning in today's climate