Post Office Closures

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by g jones

You seemed to have stopped talking about the issues and started a slur campaign. And then you switch to a rallying call for honesty and truth. In pointing out the Tories on pg 6 I also pointed out Labour, so please don's attempt to con the readers by not expressing what was written in a fair way.

I don't agree with national politicians batting for both teams. Labour politicians in this case and more often than not many cases. eg.Hazel Blears on hospitals. I was embarrassed by their actions. What you say about me is just ridiculous, insulting and demeaning.

I joined the Council because I was fed up with people always trying to pull the wool over ordinary people, Labour and Tory. That was my motivation. Nothing has changed.

I accept Conservatives like your good self are there to do everything possible to shoot me down. It's what old school politics is about. Ignore the issues and throw mud.

I agree with Cameron on sleazy politics. But Blair said the same! I think I am one of the few that believe Cameron actually does mean it, I never thought Blair did, and I admire him for that. If we have a Conservative Government, I hope Cameron's legacy is that he cleaned up politics.

The real world is events beyond your control. Such as Derek Conway paying family members. Cameron dealt with it well. I didn't hold it over Cameron personally and I think to a large extent, you shouldn't hold me to account so cyncially when it has little to do with me in reality.

Hyndburn politics is morally corrupt. Except this time it's coming from the blue corner. I don't care about your view on this as it's an issue of personal moral principle, and something that got me into politics in the beginning. We have to clean Hyndburn politics up and make sure this corruption never happens again.

I guess your on Britcliffe's team and we'll just have to disagree.

It's interesting you would accuse me of mounting a slur campaign and in the same breath call me an “old school politician”, implying the only reason I disagree with you is party affiliation. Attacking you for your irrelevant comments about any party's past actions is not a slur – it's an important point because you're misleading people.

I've been watching the post office debate in parliament all day. Was very interesting. In the end the opposition lost the vote by only 20. This means the post office closures will be going ahead because the Conservatives and Liberals didn't have enough votes.

I congratulate the Labour MP's who rebelled and voted to save the post offices. I don't have a list now but I know Gordon Prentice the Pendle Labour MP is one of them.

[WalkOnBRFC]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

You blame the Tories in the 80's in your first post on page 6, so I respond telling you to think about the future, what's happening now, the hypocrisy in parliament of Labour MP's voting for closures but then campaigning locally for offices to stay open, rather than constantly referring to the Thatcher years as Labour too often blame for everything, even when they've been in power for 11 years.

You then take my argument, you quite frankly plagiarise it and make it your own! Trying to blame me for talking too much about the past and not the present. How ridiculous! I hope the voters can see you for who you are.

This is exactly why people are so apathetic about politics, you are exactly the reason people are so turned off and why voter turnout is so low now.

Hypocritical, past your sell by date, a spin politician twisting peoples words to make yourself look good in any situation. We need a new politics, we need to work together, we need to be transparent and open, not treating the voters like idiots, people can see you're completely twisting my argument to your own benefit, we might have fallen for it in 1997 but no more!

Their are two sides to every story and which ever team you bat for you are going to look at it differently. I personally don't know why Graham nor any other Local Politician bother to sacrifice to give up the majority of their personal time and effort because they can never do right for doing wrong it seems. It is easy for us all to sit behind a computer screen saying 'this or that should/shouldn't be done'. Actions speak louder than words.. if people are so passionate about their views why don't they attend meetings and voice their opinions publicly or even stand themselves. Maybe they might appreciate what they actually do do and what they sacrifice for others, even if they have to necessarily agree with their opinions. At the end of the day Graham & Peter aren't doing things just for 'the crack of it'. Whether they approach things ruthlessly or softly they are done with the intentions they think will benefit their communities or cause. It also doesn't necessarily mean they agree with issues within National Politics either. Everyone has an opinion but before you criticise and accuse people of trying to pull the wool over your eyes.. try opening them and see the bigger picture. I'll say this to everyone not everything is Blue & Red sometimes it needs to be Purple. Everyone needs to stop fighting each other and work together.

[Rosencrantz]

Hear hear, I say we start shutting down these useless politics threads, we should all go to the council and talk about it there. I'm sick of people disagreeing with their representatives, we should just sit down and shut up.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by g jones

You seemed to have stopped talking about the issues and started a slur campaign. And then you switch to a rallying call for honesty and truth. In pointing out the Tories on pg 6 I also pointed out Labour, so please don's attempt to con the readers by not expressing what was written in a fair way.

I don't agree with national politicians batting for both teams. Labour politicians in this case and more often than not many cases. eg.Hazel Blears on hospitals. I was embarrassed by their actions. What you say about me is just ridiculous, insulting and demeaning.

I joined the Council because I was fed up with people always trying to pull the wool over ordinary people, Labour and Tory. That was my motivation. Nothing has changed.

I accept Conservatives like your good self are there to do everything possible to shoot me down. It's what old school politics is about. Ignore the issues and throw mud.

I agree with Cameron on sleazy politics. But Blair said the same! I think I am one of the few that believe Cameron actually does mean it, I never thought Blair did, and I admire him for that. If we have a Conservative Government, I hope Cameron's legacy is that he cleaned up politics.

The real world is events beyond your control. Such as Derek Conway paying family members. Cameron dealt with it well. I didn't hold it over Cameron personally and I think to a large extent, you shouldn't hold me to account so cyncially when it has little to do with me in reality.

Hyndburn politics is morally corrupt. Except this time it's coming from the blue corner. I don't care about your view on this as it's an issue of personal moral principle, and something that got me into politics in the beginning. We have to clean Hyndburn politics up and make sure this corruption never happens again.

I guess your on Britcliffe's team and we'll just have to disagree.

Jeez, can you tell you're a politician! Why just use 20 words when you can use 500. Why do people feel the need for long words and statements to try and prove their point.

As soon as a party member can actually cut the cr*p and say what they mean, is the person that gets my vote.

With regards to the actual thread (God forbid we should actually get back on topic), hows about actually running it as you would a private business and not one that has the Government and the publics money to fall back on.

The post office has the largest customer base in the country, a strong brand name and loyalty (to some point) of every person living here. The service is needed, and keeps businesses and the economy of the country alive. So how comes it is failing so badly? Complacency and bad management. An owner of a normal business fights to survive as its their money thats at risk, the Post office service should be run with the same mentality.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by onlyme

Jeez, can you tell you're a politician! Why just use 20 words when you can use 500. Why do people feel the need for long words and statements to try and prove their point.

I presume you mean cut the debate and get to the soundbites! LOL THere's always one

[Loz]

I think it's disgraceful that elderly people and disabled people will have to struggle into town for their pension,benefit etc...
It isn't always possible for people to jump on a bus and not everybody has a car.
The closure of so many post offices will affect local communities greatly imo and i think the goverment should be doing more to ensure they survive.
And to the people who reckon the post offices aren't used that often,how come every time i go in there is always a pretty big queue?
We as a country throw money away on many pointless schemes,surely we could find some money to keep them open?
I will gladly pay my taxes if it means saving as many as possible.

[blazey]

Originally Posted by Loz

I think it's disgraceful that elderly people and disabled people will have to struggle into town for their pension,benefit etc...
It isn't always possible for people to jump on a bus and not everybody has a car.
The closure of so many post offices will affect local communities greatly imo and i think the goverment should be doing more to ensure they survive.
And to the people who reckon the post offices aren't used that often,how come every time i go in there is always a pretty big queue?
We as a country throw money away on many pointless schemes,surely we could find some money to keep them open?
I will gladly pay my taxes if it means saving as many as possible.

If it is so difficult for people to get on a bus then can we stop giving them cheaper bus travel then and put money towards people like me who have to spend hundreds of pounds a year on it? That would make many students so much happier. We lost our free travel, all for elderly people to get it, who then complain about the service.

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by blazey

If it is so difficult for people to get on a bus then can we stop giving them cheaper bus travel then and put money towards people like me who have to spend hundreds of pounds a year on it? That would make many students so much happier. We lost our free travel, all for elderly people to get it, who then complain about the service.

cant wait till your gone 80 and trying to get on a crowded bus with a load of boisterous kids. In fact, really cant wait till you grow up, to be brutally honest

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by g jones

I presume you mean cut the debate and get to the soundbites! LOL THere's always one

Theres always one?? Am pretty sure they'll be more than just me that would love to cut the waffle and get to the point.

Lifes too short....long rambling posts make it much shorter

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by onlyme

Theres always one?? Am pretty sure they'll be more than just me that would love to cut the waffle and get to the point.

Lifes too short....long rambling posts make it much shorter

Amen to that onlyme, our Graham must get writers cramp every time he comes on here, but then why use 1 word when 30 will do if your trying to baffle people with B*** S***

[blazey]

Originally Posted by onlyme

cant wait till your gone 80 and trying to get on a crowded bus with a load of boisterous kids. In fact, really cant wait till you grow up, to be brutally honest

Yes blame kids, because how many kids are on the bus on their own in the kind of group there'd have to be for that...

ALSO, whilst we're on it, kids don't tend to sit at the front in the seats reserved for the elderly, only when the bus is full up.

Why is it that people always blame the youth? I very rarely see children on the bus full stop unless its the early morning run, and that can easily be avoided with buses running as often as they do.

And if you think thats brutal, you must be seriously lacking strength of mind. What sort of a come back is grow up?

[onlyme]

my god, would love to know what kind of buses you travel on. Have ya never tried Accy after school has just finished. Yes, kids get a negative press, but at the end of the day, a group of young lads can easily intimidate a lot of people, let alone the elderley, whether justified or not.

It p*sses me off that theres an old lady who lives round the corner from me that wont open her door after dark, and even blokes it with a chair as kids hang around the shops nr her. No one should live with that fear. And why the hell should people have to avoid buses at a certain time????

The grow up comment, purely made as you seem to live in your own idealistic child. Usually as you grow older, it becomes apparent that life is not just black and white, as you seem to view it. For someone that harps on about students and the fact that fat people annoy you, you seem to have a very immature opinion

[WalkOnBRFC]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Amen to that onlyme, our Graham must get writers cramp every time he comes on here, but then why use 1 word when 30 will do if your trying to baffle people with B*** S***

Do you ever have anything nice to say?

[emamum]

I would say that is usually the kids that are sitting in the bay reserved for prams and wheelchairs but we arent allowed to take prams on buses according to Blazeys law!

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by WalkOnBRFC

Do you ever have anything nice to say?

Was that aimed at me, seeing as he was agreeing with my post? lol