Post Office Sell Off - Welcome To Tory Britain

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And c'mon, you didn't bother to answer my question...again.

I'll answer your question if I may...what would I replace it with?

There are staple industries that should be held by the people. The government, elected by the people, should then employ competent people to run these industries. These competent people should be rewarded handsomely for success and fired for failure, as should the individual government ministers if they employed numpties.

It's common sense not rocket science.

I would list power, communication, health and public transport as the major staple industries.



Instead we have a growing foreign ownership of our infrastructure, who increase prices for no reason other than to line their pockets, who take our money out of the country and put next to nothing back as investment, which is typified by the possibility of blackouts this winter and poor rolling stock. I'd rather pay a 30% tax rate to keep these industries for the people than see one person die because they couldn't afford to heat their home or get an ambulance in time or didn't get their next chemotherapy appointment because they live on an unprofitable postal route.

Then again, I guess I'm labelled as a socialist, I believe the 'haves and healthy' should help the genuine 'have nots and sick'.


It is the failure of successive governments, both Labour and Tory (no distinction because recent leaders have been career politicians who are in it for fame and fortune, not to serve) , for employing absolute incompetent muppets, who then ran these industries into the ground, and the lack of accountability of government officials and associated civil servants for giving high level employees golden handshakes for being crap at their jobs that caused these staple industries to lose millions..it wasn't our fault, it wasn't the workers in these industries fault...and now they are selling off another staple industry because it makes a loss...wonder who caused it to make a loss...because it sure as hell wasn't the guy who delivers my junk mail every day.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Guinness as always, you have highlighted some interesting points.
Alas, in the current situation many of these options are no longer available to us.
Hindsight is 20/20.
And you are right about the career politicians, those who were elected but know nothing of what real work is about, who are more interested in becoming 'celebrities' in political cirlces, making money off the backs of the working man.
True socialism has not existed since...well, let me think.....for a long time.
I can remember it...just.

In the past industries have gone to the wall because we exported jobs to countries who could do the job for less money.
We took our expertise and gave it to those people..we sold them machinery...and yet we didn't expect people in this country to want to buy goods that were cheaper, but did the local man out of a job...that is not a realistic expectation.

There are many reasons why industries failed...and they all need to be considered, not just the ones which fit into our own political ideology.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

check your quotes a 100,000 people who subscribed never got any. the hedge funds got theirs first as you were allowed to buy more through registered brokers read the facts first not listen to sky news as their parent company also has hedge fund links to the Singaporean government

Wrong, check your facts. Will the BBC,left wing enough even for you, do?

BBC News - Royal Mail sale: Small investors will be favoured

Read it all before you post rubbish again. As someone said, you do your beliefs no favors.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Wrong, check your facts. Will the BBC,left wing enough even for you, do?

BBC News - Royal Mail sale: Small investors will be favoured

Read it all before you post rubbish again. As someone said, you do your beliefs no favors.

Actually, cmon( grits teeth ) you may be right. There appear to be two separate sell offs, one of which was not much mentioned. Too late now to dig further, will try tomorrow. Apology may be called for.

[cmonstanley]

its alright you weren't wrong just misinformed by the mainstream media lol ,no but seriously the newscasters havent told the whole story as there is vested interests and will only tell us half a story. i vested an interest in these shares to have a wee dig at the information. the stockbroker bit was interesting

[cmonstanley]

its so brazen they don't even care what the public think George Osborne's best man Peter Davies to make millions from Royal Mail shares | Mail Online sorry for the daily Reichstag link

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Guinness as always, you have highlighted some interesting points.
Alas, in the current situation many of these options are no longer available to us.
Hindsight is 20/20.
And you are right about the career politicians, those who were elected but know nothing of what real work is about, who are more interested in becoming 'celebrities' in political cirlces, making money off the backs of the working man.
True socialism has not existed since...well, let me think.....for a long time.
I can remember it...just.

In the past industries have gone to the wall because we exported jobs to countries who could do the job for less money.
We took our expertise and gave it to those people..we sold them machinery...and yet we didn't expect people in this country to want to buy goods that were cheaper, but did the local man out of a job...that is not a realistic expectation.

There are many reasons why industries failed...and they all need to be considered, not just the ones which fit into our own political ideology.

100% agree in the expertise argument..you need look no further than the demise of Bulloughs/Platts who exported the machinery to the 'third world' and sent people over to show them how to fix, maintain and build these machines themselves.

The reason that produced goods are cheaper is a tad more complex...multi national companies looking to make maximum profit for investors pay sweat shop wages in countries without adequate employment laws, spend a few quid on a footballer advert and a product placement in a major film, charge top dollar for the latest fad for a few weeks and then offer them at sale prices (circumventing pricing regulations)...all the kids buy said product...vicious circle until some newspaper latches on, shames the multinational with photos of people with relatives who died in locked sweat shop fires, multinationals then hold their hands up aghast and say..'we didn't know, honest guv'..yeah right!

Yet again, the government is at fault, it should be a government responsibility to ban imports from countries without adequate employment laws. It really is that simple.

It's ludicrous that this country sets so much store by the Human Rights act yet chooses to ignore it regarding cheap imports!

[GEaston]

It's not about the Tories Stan. Your mate Gordon spent all the money with the greatest unfunded and unsustainable and unnecessary spending binge in our history. The only time our country was worse off was at the end of WW2, but at least there was good reason for it back then.

You do realise that Gordon's idol and hero was Alan Greenspan, a guy whose economic theories are the cause of the financial Ponzi scheme we watch today. Alan Greenspan was knighted by labour in 2002 and just 2 days after he left the Fed he set up a consultancy firm. First customer? You guessed it, Gordon Brown..... Alan Greenspan became special advisor to Gordon to advise the then Chancellor (Feb 2006).

We could and probably should debate the resulting end of the financial world as we know it, talk about Fiat Currencies and the inevitable collapse of money in its current form, but this is the post office thread so this isn't the place.

[cmonstanley]

liar liar your pants on fire lol the tories have borrowed more than gordon brown ever did

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

dirty robbing tory scum its not theirs to sell Royal Mail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The more you and your communist scum shout the more Labour become unelectable carry on your doing a great job.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by essexshar

if they sell up will the queens head still be on the stamps?

nothing to do with it, better to know what your talking about before writing it down

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

im not against capitalism im all for the normal person in the street starting their own business ,but in this country you are in a disadvantage as the hedge fund companies dont pay the right tax and destroy all opposition with government support. the tories are not for business they are for destroying competitive business. thats a fact the fact and figures tell you that . the country needs infrastructure for normal businesses to suceed.

Your not against capitalism cmons one legged arm, left, left, left left left your not against it your just the green eyed yellow monster of envy

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

liar liar your pants on fire lol the tories have borrowed more than gordon brown ever did

to furnish the interest on Gordon's debt with supporters like you its hardly any wonder that they leave the economy as a basket case every time they're kick out of office

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Your not against capitalism cmons one legged arm, left, left, left left left your not against it your just the green eyed yellow monster of envy

see the usual tory tactic , I don't need envy I live quite comfortable thank you very much I believe in a fair society which will work for future generations. not the quick buck schemes that are changing the country for the worse. the tories stand in front of a union flag but they are the party who most threaten the existence of the union flag. other countries used to envy the uk now they think we are a jumble sale of assets.

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

dirty robbing tory scum its not theirs to sell Royal Mail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I put this on to create a reaction which is so predictable ,people on the street are angry, genuine disabled people having to move from their homes of 20 years plus etc.