Potential Conservative Candidate for Parliament

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Pedantic?

Congratulations, l presume you've progressed to the next level reading book.

Nor indeed a rant.

You wouldn't survive a rant, trust me.

Just bemusement, that over a week later than everyone else, you now 'think' you know what your party's doing.

Well done you.

Yep, pedantic. You're not interested in discussing the issue, not interested in discussing whether you agree or disagree with what I posted. Only interested in pointless replies which serve nothing to the subject but merely try and undermine the poster without actually addressing the issue.

You'd be a good politician. You still haven't managed to come out with an opinion on what I picked up from the newspaper which nobody has yet addressed in the thread.

Very easy to sit on the fence and criticise the spelling of others, the choice of posters words, or simply criticise somebodies ability to think. You don't seem to provide a counter argument or even agreement though. Speaks volumes.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Yep, pedantic. You're not interested in discussing the issue, not interested in discussing whether you agree or disagree with what I posted. Only interested in pointless replies which serve nothing to the subject but merely try and undermine the poster without actually addressing the issue.

You'd be a good politician. You still haven't managed to come out with an opinion on what I picked up from the newspaper which nobody has yet addressed in the thread.

Very easy to sit on the fence and criticise the spelling of others, the choice of posters words, or simply criticise somebodies ability to think. You don't seem to provide a counter argument or even agreement though. Speaks volumes.

My comments relate to the fact that it's taken you over a week to absorb information reported in the press, and given in a link by myself, about your own party's policies, which relates to the subject of this thread, and even now you only 'think' you know what's going on.

The fact was that anyone interested enough was able to read what was written in the the article in Times, and you apparently have only just seen it, is quite funny.

The fact that the Conservatives are to impose all-women shortlists on constituencies which have a M.P. who announce they're standing down after January, might be irrelevant to Hyndburn.

That still doesn't address the issue of the widely reported power struggle between the local Conservative association, and the more caring, sharing, hug-a-hoodie, national Conservative party.

They don't seem very happy with the preferred candidate list of the local party, a motley crew of councillors, including an already twice defeated rejectee of previous General Elections in Hyndburn.

As a non-partisan member of the electorate here in Hyndburn I look forward to seeing who eventually wins the power struggle, when the candidate is eventually announced.

[garinda]

It seems the power struggle, between the blue rinsed pipe and slippers brigade, versus the all embracing, hug-a-hoodie national party, isn't just a problem in Hyndburn.

Grassroot Tories demand new selection process - East Anglian Daily Times

It all sounds very undemocratic, forcing locals to accept people they don't want to represent them.

So much for caring and sharing, if this is an example of the high and mighty attitude we are to expect from them.

[garinda]

'The editor of the influential Tory blog Conservative Home, Tim Montgomerie, went so far as to say Tory MPs had been persuaded to delay the timing of their retirement until the new period in order for the leadership to more easily manage the selections.'

'He said: "The suspicion is that any MPs who retire now have delayed their announcement at CCHQ's request and are likely to be rewarded with peerages."

Conservative grassroots fear new rule will bring in all-women lists | Politics | The Guardian


Oh very noble.

I've highligted a part of the story, in the hope that the information is absorbed in less than a week this time.

[shillelagh]

i have a question for you andrew .. if hyndburn is so important for the conservatives to win at the next election how come they havent had a candidate in situ for the last few years .. rossendale and darwens conservative party have had their candidate in situ for the last few years .. getting himself known in the constituency and to voters ...

JakeBerry.org

[garinda]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

i have a question for you andrew .. if hyndburn is so important for the conservatives to win at the next election how come they havent had a candidate in situ for the last few years .. rossendale and darwens conservative party have had their candidate in situ for the last few years .. getting himself known in the constituency and to voters ...

JakeBerry.org

Especially because of the parliamentary time scale, an election could be called at anytime, in theory.

As Greg Pope announced in June of last year that he was standing down, and it's the best chance for years that the Conservatives have of winning the seat, all this indecision, and reported fighting with CCHQ, doesn't exactly fill the electorate with confidence in their organisational skills, and abilities.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

i have a question for you andrew .. if hyndburn is so important for the conservatives to win at the next election how come they havent had a candidate in situ for the last few years .. rossendale and darwens conservative party have had their candidate in situ for the last few years .. getting himself known in the constituency and to voters ...

JakeBerry.org

I would say it's important at every election, not just specifically the next one. I don't know why they haven't had a candidate in place for years. In my opinion they should have done.

Garinda, I think it's important that you bring up 'reported' infighting. The infighting part of course, is not fact, but merely reported by individuals such as the Labour candidate for Hyndburn. I do feel it's important you bring it up though, without anybody else criticising you for reporting something which is not absolute fact.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Yep, pedantic. You're not interested in discussing the issue

Oh I'm very interested in discussing local politics, and in this case the reported fight between the local Conservative party, and the national one.

Since I'm not a member of the Conservative party, or any other party, and therefore have no sway as to who makes the selected candidate list, I have to follow the reported power struggle in the press, and can offer no greater insight.

As for my views on the Conservative party's decision to impose all-women short-lists on some constituencies, I think it stinks.

Positive discrimination is patronising, divisive, and ultimately achieves nothing.

The Conservative party's policy on this issue is redolent of the loony-left councils of the early eighties, who grandly decided black disabled lesbians should always be promoted, even when they weren't the best person for the job.

Such patronage only brings resentment.

The best candidate should be selected for a seat because of their abilities, and not because of their gender.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Garinda, I think it's important that you bring up 'reported' infighting. The infighting part of course, is not fact, but merely reported by individuals such as the Labour candidate for Hyndburn. I do feel it's important you bring it up though, without anybody else criticising you for reporting something which is not absolute fact.

CONSERVATIVES are urg-ing their London HQ to end delays in choosing the borough’s election candidate.
Delays over Hyndburn Conservatives candidate selection (From Lancashire Telegraph)

The delay because of the fighting, and Nigel Evan's opinion of the whole sorry mess, is even discussed on here.

'Delaying the selection until this late stage presumably means that the local association will have a shortlist of three imposed upon it under the by-election rules whcih took effect on January 1st.'
ConservativeHome's Seats & Candidates blog: Hyndburn

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

The reason they had a swipe at Peter was because he told the selection board that he was only interested in standing as a candidate in Hyndburn, seems they didn't like it

The recent dissent's also been reported on here, by the ever obliging Jaysay.

[andrewb]

Now the person who posts a load of pedantic rubbish about using the word 'think' rather than posting absolute facts, has now gone on to write a ton of posts based on 'reported' and 'presumed' interpretations of selection procedures.

I think it's a good that you've brought them up. I just find it very hypocritical that you would attack other users posts for not being absolute fact and undermine their content without actually addressing or discussing the issue, and then go on to use reported and presumed content yourself. Makes you look like a silly billy.

As was mentioned earlier, according to the available information, Hyndburn will not be an imposed shortlist as it does not match the criteria quoted.

I've already said I disagree with all women shortlists, although this digresses from the topic considering what I've already said. In other areas though I can't see AWS happening, especially since the person responsible for the idea has now stepped down and out of the selection procedure.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Now the person who posts a load of pedantic rubbish about using the word 'think' rather than posting absolute facts, has now gone on to write a ton of posts based on 'reported' and 'presumed' interpretations of selection procedures.

I think it's a good that you've brought them up. I just find it very hypocritical that you would attack other users posts for not being absolute fact and undermine their content without actually addressing or discussing the issue, and then go on to use reported and presumed content yourself. Makes you look like a silly billy.

As was mentioned earlier, according to the available information, Hyndburn will not be an imposed shortlist as it does not match the criteria quoted.

I've already said I disagree with all women shortlists, although this digresses from the topic considering what I've already said. In other areas though I can't see AWS happening, especially since the person responsible for the idea has now stepped down and out of the selection procedure.

I don't 'think', we can see there is reported struggle between the local and national Conservative party, regarding the selection of a suitable candidate list. I've supplied evidence from the press, which had quotes regarding the matter from a neighbouring Conservative MP. There's also evidence in this thread, supplied by a close friend of Peeter Britcliffe, that there is disagrement, which is presumably why there hasn't been a short-list announced to the public.

As a bystander it will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle, in a seat the Conservatives think is winnable...if they can eventually agree on someone, and actually field a candidate.

There's nothing like unity...and this is nothing like unity.

[garinda]

If politically correct, caring, sharing, hug-a-hoodie Cameron eventually gets his way, nevermind all-women, there might yet be an all-gay/lesbian, all-disabled, or all-ethnic candidate short-list imposed.

Women and gay Tory MPs set to treble by 2010 - Times Online

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I've already said I disagree with all women shortlists, although this digresses from the topic considering what I've already said. In other areas though I can't see AWS happening, especially since the person responsible for the idea has now stepped down and out of the selection procedure.

It's not a digression when the person who wants to be the next leader of the country, Cameron, actively supports positive discrimination, just as strongly as the loony-left idiots of years gone by did.

The most suitable person should always get whatever job is going, regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Patronising, and divisive, and always the cause of outraged resentment, from those who aren't promoted or given jobs, knowing they had more experience and qualifications, but who were up against a one legged Chinese lesbian.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I don't 'think', we can see there is reported struggle between the local and national Conservative party, regarding the selection of a suitable candidate list. I've supplied evidence from the press, which had quotes regarding the matter from a neighbouring Conservative MP. There's also evidence in this thread, supplied by a close friend of Peter Britcliffe, that there is disagrement, which is presumably why there hasn't been a short-list announced to the public.

As a bystander it will be interesting to see who wins the power struggle, in a seat the Conservatives think is winnable...if they can eventually agree on someone, and actually field a candidate.

There's nothing like unity...and this is nothing like unity.

I have never known the Tory Party in Hyndburn release a parliamentary short list to the press or anybody else for that matter, why should we its party business, end of