Private Mental Health Hospital in Oswaldtwistle

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

I presume from that, that you believe this coalition government has a future?

Is that because your own M.P. is that ever so nice Simon Hughes, Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats?

Of course this Government have a future..they are installed for the next five years and that should be a worry for anyone...as for Simon Hughes I personally could not give a toss.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Of course this Government have a future..they are installed for the next five years

Actually, if the coalition holds, the next General Election has to be held before 11th June, 2015.

Though the government have announced it will actually be held on 7th May, 2015.

Which makes it approximately three years, and a little less than ten months.

Time flies, when you lot with Liberal Democrat M.P.'s are having fun.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Lolly

Its been a while since i've been on here but I felt I needed to post about this.

I have today received a letter from my sons school from a company called Aaban Ltd, stating that they have bought the land across from St Andrews School (James St WMC) and are applying for permission to build a specialist mental health hospital. It will be a 22 bedded unit for people aged 45 and over, although they will accept younger patients. They will be patients who suffer from dementia, other mental health and behavioural difficulties.

Just wondered what others thought of this idea? I don't have a problem with mental health, I know what stigma is attached to it as i'm training to be a nurse, but what worries me is that it is directly across from my sons school.

I can't really type the whole letter as its 2 pages long, but if anyone has any questions and the answer is in the letter I will post it.

There used to be that massive hospital up near Whalley was it Brockhall? Just done a search and it was closed in 1992 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brockhall,_Lancashire Anyway we once went on a school trip bit odd place for a school trip, I can't even recall what class it was we went with but it was for educational purposes. It was a massive place - should have kept places like that open as it was out in the country side. Don't think it's right to have a place like this in confined space - should be in the open with more grounds round it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

There used to be that massive hospital up near Whalley was it Brockall? Anyway we once went on a school trip there to look at issues of mental health etc. It was a massive place - should have kept places like that open as it was out in the country side. Don't think it's right to have a place like this in confined space - should be in the open with more grounds round it.

Totally different.

People were incarcerated for life in Brockhall, and similar Victorian asylums such as Calderstones, for such things as having a child out of wedlock, and we're talking post World War II, not when these places were built.

Happily we've moved on somewhat since then.

I genuinely hope that if you were unfortunate enough ever to suffer from dementia, or other mental health issues, such as clinical depression,, you're cared for somewhere that's easily accessible to your friends and family, and the rest of society in general.

Rather than hidden away in the middle of nowhere, behind the walls of some dreadful asylum.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Totally different.

People were incarcerated for life in Brockhall, and similar Victorian asylums such as Calderstones, for such things as having a child out of wedlock, and we're talking post World War II, not when these places were built.

Happily we've moved on somewhat since then.

I genuinely hope that if you were unfortunate enough ever to suffer from dementia, or other mental health issues, such as clinical depression,, you're cared for somewhere that's easily accessible to your friends and family, and the rest of society in general.

Rather than hidden away in the middle of nowhere, behind the walls of some dreadful asylum.

I did some maintenance work at Calderstones and we had to be accompanied at all times by members of staff, it was quite scary at time I can tell you

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I did some maintenance work at Calderstones and we had to be accompanied at all times by members of staff, it was quite scary at time I can tell you

I know, I went there too.

You had people there institutionalised for life for being 'a bit flighty', locked up with those poor souls who did need secured full time hospitalisation..

Happily those places are no more, and this proposed care facility is nothing like those antiquated places.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by garinda

Totally different.

People were incarcerated for life in Brockhall, and similar Victorian asylums such as Calderstones, for such things as having a child out of wedlock, and we're talking post World War II, not when these places were built.

Happily we've moved on somewhat since then.

I genuinely hope that if you were unfortunate enough ever to suffer from dementia, or other mental health issues, such as clinical depression,, you're cared for somewhere that's easily accessible to your friends and family, and the rest of society in general.

Rather than hidden away in the middle of nowhere, behind the walls of some dreadful asylum.

Jaysay I think Calderstones was more for serious mentally ill people but I never when there I went to Brockhall with my school, so I know what it was like and it was quite open in places.

Did you ever go there? It wasn't like an asylum at all - as I remember parts of it were more like a council estate and some of the patients lived in small houses and were free to move about within a small area. Some of these we met had downes syndrome there were other places I think that were more high security.

There was also one patient who had a pet buzzard and he was allowed to fly that - patients were also gardners and some grew vegetables. so I would think this kind of environment would be better for people with these kind of health problems than some small hospital type structure next to a school.

The issue is not hiding people away but rather that they are not in some cramped hutch in the middle of a town. But as i don't know the exact location of this site mentioned in this thread - I don't know how small it will be.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Jaysay I think Calderstones was more for serious mentally ill people but I never when there I went to Brockhall with my school, so I know what it was like and it was quite open in places.

Did you ever go there? It wasn't like an asylum at all - as I remember parts of it were more like a council estate and some of the patients lived in small houses and were free to move about within a small area. Some of these we met had downes syndrome there were other places I think that were more high security.

There was also one patient who had a pet buzzard and he was allowed to fly that - patients were also gardners and some grew vegetables. so I would think this kind of environment would be better for people with these kind of health problems than some small hospital type structure next to a school.

The issue is not hiding people away but rather that they are not in some cramped hutch in the middle of a town. But as i don't know the exact location of this site mentioned in this thread - I don't know how small it will be.

Oh your certainly right there kestralx Calderstones and Brockhall and indeed Langho Colony were very different places, there were some very disturbed people in Calderstones

When I was serving my time as a joiner I worked in Whalley just down the road from Calderstones, some of the staff actually worked on the site part time on their days of, and some of the tales we used to hear were terrible. There was one patient who had a mania for breaking those cast iron grate covers and eating them, he was rushed into hospital on a few occasions due to this, the only way they stopped him was they made one out of wood and when he couldn't break it, it put him off

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Oh your certainly right there kestralx Calderstones and Brockhall and indeed Langho Colony were very different places, there were some very disturbed people in Calderstones

When I was serving my time as a joiner I worked in Whalley just down the road from Calderstones, some of the staff actually worked on the site part time on their days of, and some of the tales we used to hear were terrible. There was one patient who had a mania for breaking those cast iron grate covers and eating them, he was rushed into hospital on a few occasions due to this, the only way they stopped him was they made one out of wood and when he couldn't break it, it put him off

I once went to the Regent's Park Zoo in London back in 1979 and there were about 4 blokes with those padded protection helmets similar to what boxers wear - but these people were obviously out on a day trip from some kind of mental hospital, the padding to stop them hitting the floor with their heads should they fall or have a fit or something. I'm not joking but it's unfortunate that some people are born unable to stop themselves from hurting themselves.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

I once went to the Regent's Park Zoo in London back in 1979 and there were about 4 blokes with those padded protection helmets similar to what boxers wear - but these people were obviously out on a day trip from some kind of mental hospital, the padding to stop them hitting the floor with their heads should they fall or have a fit or something. I'm not joking but it's unfortunate that some people are born unable to stop themselves from hurting themselves.

It's hard to believe in this enlightened age that someone could make so many 'obviously' incorrect assumptions.

Those 'padded helmets' are sometimes worn by some people who suffer from severe tonic clonic epileptic seizures. And although epilepsy is fairly prevalent in people with learning disabilities, that does not mean that either a person with learning disabilities or epilepsy have mental health issues, which is a totally different diagnosis.

And epilepsy, although a debilitating disease does not necessitate a stay in 'some kind of mental hospital'

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Guinness

It's hard to believe in this enlightened age that someone could make so many 'obviously' incorrect assumptions.

Those 'padded helmets' are sometimes worn by some people who suffer from severe tonic clonic epileptic seizures. And although epilepsy is fairly prevalent in people with learning disabilities, that does not mean that either a person with learning disabilities or epilepsy have mental health issues, which is a totally different diagnosis.

And epilepsy, although a debilitating disease does not necessitate a stay in 'some kind of mental hospital'

Thanks for the info - but these guys looked like they had more than epilepsy that is one thing that stuck in my mind.

[Bee]

But there is no mention in LET or Observer about this "private mental health hospital", so will it get built?.

[steeljack]

Bee , I;m sure you as a local will qualify for a bed , I'm thinking locals will have first choice ... maybe you will get a bed with a window which you can lick/salivate on, overlooking 'ossymills' and the shopping metroplex on Union Rd. just sorry I won't me the "Nurse Ratchett" on your ward doubling/tripling up your daily prescriebd daily dose of Xanex