Problem Gambling

[gynn]

Interesting to see the local MPs crusade against betting shops and Fixed Odds Betting Terminals.

Hyndburn MP Graham Jones and betting chain William Hill at odds over shops (From Lancashire Telegraph)

It seems he's got his facts wrong, though. Only 11 betting shops in Hyndburn, not 22.

And I'd be intrigued to see someone lose £18,000 in an hour on a FOBT. It would mean feeding 360 £50 notes into the machine one by one. That allows 10 seconds for each note.......but my experience is that it can take up to a minute for the machine to accept a note. And that doen't leave time to spin the wheel and lose the money! So a physical impossibility, methinks.

Graham might have a valid argument about making gambling too easy, but he spoils it by showing a complete lack of knowledge about the workings of a betting shop, and omits to mention the harmless enjoyment that betting shops give to thousands of Hyndburn resdidents, and the valuable employment that it brings to the area.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by gynn

.......It seems he's got his facts wrong, though. Only 11 betting shops in Hyndburn, not 22.

When I read the newspaper story I understood it as meaning there are 22 Fixed odds betting terminals in Hyndburn not 22 betting shops.

Have William Hill misunderstood what Graham said or have the Telegraph worded it in a confusing way?

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Originally Posted by gynn

And I'd be intrigued to see someone lose £18,000 in an hour on a FOBT. It would mean feeding 360 £50 notes into the machine one by one. That allows 10 seconds for each note.......but my experience is that it can take up to a minute for the machine to accept a note. And that doen't leave time to spin the wheel and lose the money! So a physical impossibility, methinks.

From what I understand, if you take your money to the counter they have a system of putting credit on these machines remotely, so it would only take the cashier the time to count the money before the machine was credited, then the idiot punter could walk over to the machine make the wrong bet and then walk out of the place, perhaps, without complaining because nobody forced him to do it.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Neil

When I read the newspaper story I understood it as meaning there are 22 Fixed odds betting terminals in Hyndburn not 22 betting shops.

Have William Hill misunderstood what Graham said or have the Telegraph worded it in a confusing way?

Nope it was 22 betting shops..as usual Jones has jumped on a bandwagon based on incorrect information supplied to him from the fairer gambling campaign.

Graham Jones MP: Hyndburns Fixed Odds Betting Terminals; The Crack Cocaine of Gambling

Its so very typical of him to leap before he looks...guess he doesn't know the postcodes used in his own constituency. Also notice how only positive comments from the LT are shown on his website, and how most of his researchers quotes backing his statement come from the Daily Mail....

Love how our Ken posts his standard 'Graham is right' and calls his electorate 'armchair critics'.

Can the labour party please put someone electable forward at the next election

[Boeing Guy]

The last Labour government changed the rules of a segment of amusement games, they argued that 'so called' quiz machines were not skill but fixed odds, thus attracting taxation. They then asked for back taxation from the operators and manufactures of these machines. I know this because my Father ran one such company, he made 30 people redundant in one day thanks to the tax grab, the business, a UK manufacturer went under and a lot of innovative ideas died.

Now our MP, has decided to declare war on these machines, they for the most part are made in the UK by Barcrest, Bell Fruit, JPM to name but few. This is a large industry that employs thousands directly.
Odd behaviour for a MP apparently committed to the working man/woman (for the pc brigade)

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

The last Labour government changed the rules of a segment of amusement games, they argued that 'so called' quiz machines were not skill but fixed odds, thus attracting taxation. They then asked for back taxation from the operators and manufactures of these machines. I know this because my Father ran one such company, he made 30 people redundant in one day thanks to the tax grab, the business, a UK manufacturer went under and a lot of innovative ideas died.

Now our MP, has decided to declare war on these machines, they for the most part are made in the UK by Barcrest, Bell Fruit, JPM to name but few. This is a large industry that employs thousands directly.
Odd behaviour for a MP apparently committed to the working man/woman (for the pc brigade)

Graham Jones is committed to Graham Jones BG

[Boeing Guy]

Very true Jay,
Also I have just realised, if Mr Jones is so committed to stemming Gambleing in the Uk, why does he not question the rise of Internet gaming, or even Bingo both internet and bingo halls, where it is possible to spend hundreds if not thousands every day.
Seems like point scoring to me.

[annesingleton]

My ex husband was a compulsive gambler, he wasted thousands of pounds of money whilst we were together on bandits - in fact I was once told by someone who worked in an arcade that he had put upwards of a thousand pounds in a machine one afternoon. When his mother died several years ago after we were separated he managed to get through over £12,000 of his inheritance in less than a fortnight. So I suppose understandably gambling frightens me, although I fully understand that it's an enjoyable pastime for lots of people and completely harmless for them.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Graham Jones is committed to Graham Jones BG

Ain't he just.... Remember how he and his ilk were so vocal in opposition but went very quiet once in power...this is his reason

It seems that local newspapers now...: 17 Sep 2012: House of Commons debates - TheyWorkForYou

He thinks reasoned argument and questions about his deceit on the referendum debate are trolls and abuse..

and to think...someone once questioned why I think he's a meglomaniac

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Ain't he just.... Remember how he and his ilk were so vocal in opposition but went very quiet once in power...this is his reason

It seems that local newspapers now...: 17 Sep 2012: House of Commons debates - TheyWorkForYou

He thinks reasoned argument and questions about his deceit on the referendum debate are trolls and abuse..

and to think...someone once questioned why I think he's a meglomaniac

Ya sounds like Jonesie that Guinness, I actually think you were kind calling him a megalomaniac

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Very true Jay,
Also I have just realised, if Mr Jones is so committed to stemming Gambleing in the Uk, why does he not question the rise of Internet gaming, or even Bingo both internet and bingo halls, where it is possible to spend hundreds if not thousands every day.
Seems like point scoring to me.

Ya there's certainly more problems with internet gambling, you don't even have to move out you pit to gamble

[Restless]

Originally Posted by annesingleton

My ex husband was a compulsive gambler, he wasted thousands of pounds of money whilst we were together on bandits - in fact I was once told by someone who worked in an arcade that he had put upwards of a thousand pounds in a machine one afternoon. When his mother died several years ago after we were separated he managed to get through over £12,000 of his inheritance in less than a fortnight. So I suppose understandably gambling frightens me, although I fully understand that it's an enjoyable pastime for lots of people and completely harmless for them.

I know a couple of people that have gambling problems. One is an pakistani lad that will buy 30-50 scratch cards a night and spend up to £1000 on the 'roulette' at bookies. Must have been a lot for you to deal with

[Guinness]

You can gamble 24/7 using the red button on your sky remote....

Blaming gambling addiction on bookies shops is like blaming addiction to painkillers on boots

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Guinness

You can gamble 24/7 using the red button on your sky remote....

Blaming gambling addiction on bookies shops is like blaming addiction to painkillers on boots

Yeh but it may well be a Vote Winner?

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Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh but it may well be a Vote Winner?

Would you like to bet on that?