Pub landlord jailed for allowing smoking.

[MargaretR]

The politicians you elect find out pretty quick that they are just 'front men', and have to do as they are told and gain, or behave with a human concience and suffer.

The real power and the direction of world policies is decided behind the scenes at places like Bilderburg meetings.

[Barrie Yates]

I would like to hear what the prospective parliamentarians for Hyndburn, from all parties, have to say on this particular subject!

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

That is just the point though "This Government" discussion, referendum, consultation, all valid words & that is all they are to the present ruling classes they keep using them, but will not in any way consider using them in case they upset the EU. What about the British People ? obviously their opinions don't count or matter it appears.

Further to the above, yes sadly the "British Public" & I use that term loosely (due to the fact that ethnic British have been so diluted by "New British" brought in by New Labour to boost their popularity) does not give a true & accurate reflection of the Peoples views. The present crop of Buffoons would never have received the votes they did.

Had they placed the facts out for the populace to truly see the world of misery they were heading into, the outcome would've been so much more different than the experience of today. But that would suggest Leaders with honesty, integrity & a sense of fairness to all their peoples, but as has been proved time & time again most of them are in it for themselves.The higher ideals & debt of care for her citizens has been discarded without a jot of remorse to those who now suffer due to Political disrespect.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Ken I believe people have been doing just that over the last X years, how else do you explain the rise of fringe parties such as UKIP, Green, BNP etc. And how has the Government responded ? as it always does, it takes not a blind bit of notice as to what the people request or require.

They maunder along so wrapped in their own self importance, they can't see the woods for the trees. so what if the numbers are down to only 50% of those eligible to vote & decide the fate of the Country, we've the majority so we'll just do as we Damn well please & if the peasantry don't like it ! Well screw 'em We're just fine Jack !!!!

Please tell me I'm wrong in this view, but if you're honest that'll be pretty hard to do won't it.

I won't disagree with that because most of it is true.

The rise in fringe parties is purely because more and more people are tired of not having their views listened to on certain matters, for example the interference from the EU in British affairs. Sooner or later, the main parties are going to have to address these issues head on or face the fact that they won't be the main parties anymore if enough people keep voting for groups such as UKIP and the BNP.

I would still urge everyone to vote for the candidate that most closely reflects their views. It is up to all parties to listen to the voice of the people they are trying to represent and do what is best for each community. If they don't listen and other parties get more votes then they only have themselves to blame.

However, for them to listen properly it requires people to vote and use that voice.

[DaveinGermany]

Should there be doubts to the veracity of the statement in post 48, please look here :

MigrationWatchUK

Labour’s mass immigration policy was politically inspired

February 10, 2010

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by cashman

Ken, the day socialism died, n i fully understand why it did/had to, was the day i walked away from this, as graham jones, n jaysay who i regard as mates, are well aware, if it ever returns, which i doubt very much, so will i. sorry but thats me.

You'll never need to apologise to me for having definite views on anything. I respect your standpoint and I'm sure that you're not alone.

Our vote is the only real instrument we have left to punish or reward those in power, I'm just keen to see it used by everyone so that we have more chance of getting the right people in place across the country.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I won't disagree with that because most of it is true.

The rise in fringe parties is purely because more and more people are tired of not having their views listened to on certain matters, for example the interference from the EU in British affairs. Sooner or later, the main parties are going to have to address these issues head on or face the fact that they won't be the main parties anymore if enough people keep voting for groups such as UKIP and the BNP.

I would still urge everyone to vote for the candidate that most closely reflects their views. It is up to all parties to listen to the voice of the people they are trying to represent and do what is best for each community. If they don't listen and other parties get more votes then they only have themselves to blame.

However, for them to listen properly it requires people to vote and use that voice.

Ken you seem like a genuine bloke & appear to have peoples interests at heart but how can you justify the evidence of your own eyes ? You've seen the views of the folk here & I assume elsewhere ! what happens when you tell your superiors about how the masses feel ?

Will they listen to you & take your views on board ? Now I've not been involved with this forum very long, but it appears that there are a few well respected members on here who, due to their integrity & honest desire to see the right thing done, have walked away from their Political affiliations because the Parties will not take on what is being explained to them.

Now if these Party Stalwarts are getting fobbed off after all their years of allegiance, how does that provoke "Joe Bloke " to feel ? Would you also have the integrity to walk away from the deceitful & self serving Political classes too should your valid & educated points be ignored ?

As to the Candidates who most closely reflect their views, they appear to be few & far between, as most of them do not seem to be existing on the same material plane as the rest of us !

[wadey]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

A truer word ..... I seem to recall, many years ago when I was in UK they put the price of ciggies up "to cover the cost of smokers to the NHS" which incidentally didn't get said revenue & as a result there was a marked decrease in income from Tobacco tax. As people were buying abroad so the money the Government could've had, had they not been so greedy was then filling the coffers of Countries like France & Spain, once again reaffirming the conceit & at the same time stupidity of Politicians.

People do the oddest things, if CDs had been a fiver instead over £15 when they came out they could have avoided all the illegal downloads and made more money the dozy and it's the same with taxes, only the people on PAYE pay the full amount due, anyway I thought the Government was moaning because we live to long

[Less]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

'useless eater' (their term, not mine)

Could we have a link to some official Government site that states that the 12 year old that died was, (post #1), a 'useless eater', otherwise could you please keep your ramblings to yourself, you hurtful person!

[mattylad]

As much as I hate cigarette smoke I have to think that this punishment was a bit OTT.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Less

Could we have a link to some official Government site that states that the 12 year old that died was, (post #1), a 'useless eater', otherwise could you please keep your ramblings to yourself, you hurtful person!

I best quote it so you wont abuse her if she replies to you

[Neil]

Originally Posted by mattylad

As much as I hate cigarette smoke I have to think that this punishment was a bit OTT.

He was jailed for not paying a fine, not for allowing people to smoke.

The two are seperate issues.

I could be jailed for not paying a speeding fine in the same way. Many people have been jailed for not paying TV licence fines.

Have you seen this thread?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

He was jailed for not paying a fine, not for allowing people to smoke.

The two are seperate issues.

I could be jailed for not paying a speeding fine in the same way. Many people have been jailed for not paying TV licence fines.

Have you seen this thread?

err um ya I started it

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

err um ya I started it

I was not asking you

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I was not asking you