Ramadan Arrests... - Page 2

bullseyebarb · 22-10-2006, 16:43

As long as the law is applied equally, OK. Just hope you aren't heading down the French path, though. I have read quite a few articles which state there are many areas in France where the police dare not go. If true, sounds like anarchy to me. Not that it really matters, of course, because it's looking more and more likely that France is toast anyway. And Belgium. And the Netherlands. Not making enough babies. Except those named Muhammad....which I understand is now the most popular name for newbies in all three of the above mentioned countries. Only the fourth most popular newbie name in England.......so get cracking, you lot. There's still time!

garinda · 22-10-2006, 16:45

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

As long as the law is applied equally, OK. Just hope you aren't heading down the French path, though. I have read quite a few articles which state there are many areas in France where the police dare not go. If true, sounds like anarchy to me. Not that it really matters, of course, because it's looking more and more likely that France is toast anyway. And Belgium. And the Netherlands. Not making enough babies. Except those named Muhammad....which I understand is now the most popular name for newbies in all three of the above mentioned countries. Only the fourth most popular newbie name in England.......so get cracking, you lot. There's still time!

I hope you are not starting your own baby farm, and offering yourself as a breeder!

shakermaker · 22-10-2006, 16:54

If this was any other minority no one would care. But because of the stigma afflicted upon the Muslim population of Britain, it is a sudden necessity to make a mountain out of this molehill.

garinda · 22-10-2006, 16:57

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If this was any other minority no one would care. But because of the stigma afflicted upon the Muslim population of Britain, it is a sudden necessity to make a mountain out of this molehill.

As I posted earlier, I would care.

If the Manchester police had issued a similar warning, say when it was the cities gay Mardi Gras in August, I would still think this over sensitive approach is wrong. Everyone should be equal before the law.

Positive discrimination stinks, and very often causes more trouble that it intended to help, because of the inevitable, justified backlash.

shakermaker · 22-10-2006, 17:00

How is the backlash justified? It's not like these individuals are excused from being arrested!

chav1 · 22-10-2006, 17:05

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If this was any other minority no one would care. But because of the stigma afflicted upon the Muslim population of Britain, it is a sudden necessity to make a mountain out of this molehill.

maybe thats because out of all the faiths in britain muslims are the ones who are always demanding this , wanting that and protesting about some injustice or other where as the rest just get on with life and do their own thing and that was said by a muslim on a discussion program last year on TV , i forget the name of teh show but it had representitives from various comunities like jews , hindus , muslims ,christians and teh chineese

the fact that over teh past few years the muslim faith has been tied in with terrorism dosnt help either , iem not saying muslims are terroists but the two have been put together pretty strongly by the media so when special concessions are made for them it gets peoples backs up

what faith you have should come second to the law and shoudl be irrelivant to any criminal enquiery,if your naughty you get arrested

garinda · 22-10-2006, 17:05

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How is the backlash justified? It's not like these individuals are excused from being arrested!

There was a story in today's Observer saying how half the racially motivated murders in the past ten years were on white victims. When you think that in this instance, Musilms who make up about 3% of the UK population, and are getting special discompensations in regard to the law, that in my opinion is wrong, just as it would be for any targeted group, whose case was going to be handled more 'sensitvely'..

garinda · 22-10-2006, 17:08

Link to the story in the Observer.

It is slightly off tangent, but illustrates how one minority group are wrongly benefiting from supposed positive

discrimination.Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Nearly half of all UK race murder victims are white

shakermaker · 22-10-2006, 17:08

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There was a story in today's Observer saying how half the racially motivated murders in the past ten years were on white victims. When you think that in this instance, Musilms who make up about 3% of the UK population, and are getting special discompensations in regard to the law, that in my opinion is wrong, just as it would be for any targeted group, whose case was going to be handled more 'sensitvely'..

So all of the 50% of racially motivated murders are commited by people of Muslim faith

Chav, you seem to take a lot of your reasoning from the media, consider the reaction of non-muslim people on this forum, and then decide which side of the story will sell more papers.

garinda · 22-10-2006, 17:11

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So all racially motivated murders are commited by people of Muslim faith

Not at all, don't put words in my mouth, but by targeting one minority group leads to the backlash you questioned, when I said it was inevitable.

shakermaker · 22-10-2006, 17:18

I didn't intend to put words in your mouth Garinda, I apologize. It was the conclusion I drew from your post.

I think the backlash is all drawn up by the media's stirring headlines & misplacement of facts.
I'm not being a standard bearer for the actions of the police, not at all, however I do have a problem with the way it has been portrayed to the public which is inevitably creating more social divides.
Like we need them.

Gayle · 22-10-2006, 17:19

They are not saying that the criminals shouldn't be arrested and I'm pretty sure that if anyone is caught in the act they would be arrested on the spot, in fact, that's what the police have more or less said.

They are just suggesting that arrests aren't made during prayer time and I think that's relatively reasonable - there would also be outrage if the police barged into a mass and arrested someone.

garinda · 22-10-2006, 17:30

Still disagree.

Muslims are being targeted, without their asking to be I might add, and whether at prayer or not, unless it applies to every other faith, it is wrong.

bullseyebarb · 22-10-2006, 18:02

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I hope you are not starting your own baby farm, and offering yourself as a breeder!

Too old for that, honey. It would take a miracle!

chav1 · 22-10-2006, 18:47

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They are just suggesting that arrests aren't made during prayer time and I think that's relatively reasonable - there would also be outrage if the police barged into a mass and arrested someone.

well i totaly disagree with that and to be honest it is a ludricous proposal

many muslims speak 2 languages and it would be very easy for a wanted person to be tipped off that the police are waiting outside and disappear while the police are twiddleing their thumbs waiting for prayers to end

suspected criminals get dragged out of their homes by the police naked and infront of their children in teh middle of the night for example , just because somone is in teh middle of a prayer it shouldnt make a blind bit of difference.Like i said before it isnt the polices fault they are there so if teh rest of teh people want somone to complain to they should complain to the guy who is arrested because if he wasnt a naughty boy the police wouldnt have to be going to get him

religion is a choice but the law is there for everyone and if you cant obey the law then expect to get arrested and dont cry about where it happens if it does