reasons to hate the tories - Page 12

garinda · 23-10-2010, 11:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I look at most things through my left eye the right ones a bit dodgy

Years of giving Peter the wink, has probably affected the muscle control in your right eye.

Winker

Wynonie Harris · 23-10-2010, 11:36

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Originally Posted by garinda

Strange how Uncle Joe's genocide policies, and the deaths of millions of innocent people, doesn't provoke the same outrage. As you've reminded us before.

Wonder why?

Same reason you very rarely hear any leftwingers condemning Chairman Mao's murderous policies.

Same reason you'll see the Socialist Workers Party out and about on Market St, Manchester, protesting against the US and Israel, but never North Korea.

Double standards and selective vision.

cmonstanley · 23-10-2010, 12:48

the thing is i dont class my self as a socialist i only vote for what would be in the best interests of my family and friends

jaysay · 23-10-2010, 14:18

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the thing is i dont class my self as a socialist i only vote for what would be in the best interests of my family and friends

:r ofl38:Ya an Attila the Hun was totally misunderstood

jaysay · 23-10-2010, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Same reason you very rarely hear any leftwingers condemning Chairman Mao's murderous policies.

Same reason you'll see the Socialist Workers Party out and about on Market St, Manchester, protesting against the US and Israel, but never North Korea.

Double standards and selective vision.

Ah the Socialist Workers Party one of life's anomalies, they spend all their time protesting, wonder when the do the Work

garinda · 23-10-2010, 15:04

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the thing is i dont class my self as a socialist i only vote for what would be in the best interests of my family and friends

Yes, that certainly isn't socialism.

It's called being selfish.

It's the sort of self-serving attitude that swept Thatcher to power.

Still, it now explains your lack of knowledge about certain things.

Gordon Booth · 23-10-2010, 15:08

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the thing is i dont class my self as a socialist i only vote for what would be in the best interests of my family and friends

Can I take it you voted Conservative last time then?

garinda · 23-10-2010, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Can I take it you voted Conservative last time then?

jaysay · 23-10-2010, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Can I take it you voted Conservative last time then?

Hell would freeze over first Gordon

kestrelx · 23-10-2010, 18:27

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Originally Posted by garinda

Strange how Uncle Joe's genocide policies, and the deaths of millions of innocent people, doesn't provoke the same outrage. As you've reminded us before.

Wonder why?

It's probably partly social conditioning. Also that Hitler had more direct impact on this Country than Stalin, also it was the Russians who were the main cause of Hitlers/Nazi's downfall, so they are seen as being on our side and all the bad done by Stalin who killed more of his own people than Hitler, is conveniently forgotten.

Ken Moss · 24-10-2010, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I have noticed, Neil, that quite a lot of your more subtle comments seem to go over various members' heads. Ken's usually fairly perceptive, though, so we'll put it down to being "far too busy with local affairs".

Busy old time in the village at the moment, plus I've been asked to chip in with Baxenden as much as I can. No time for national stuff right now....

To come back to your original question, there's always going to be the perception that politics only benefits the better off but the Tory model always seems to lead to vast swathes of the working class being laid off whilst the toffs at the top come out reasonably unscathed. If you have millions in the bank then a few extra thousand in tax will be irritating but easily absorbed (if not avoided altogether by clever accounting) but a few hundred for someone much lower down the social ladder is going to be a killer.

It's all a question of perspective and I'm not going to defend everything that Labour has done in the past 13 years either. For one thing, it had absolutely nothing to do with me but also I am allowed to have my own viewpoint within the party. Gordon Brown surprised us all with rather lax regulation of the financial sector, particularly after his mostly positive stint as Chancellor, but this new Conservative coalition is slicing the country to bits.

The Hyndburn Conservatives are no different really. They spout on about how 13 years of Labour rule have left us in an age of austerity and then spend money like no tomorrow so they can get vote-grabbing stories in The Observer. If Labour takes control next May then I am not looking forward to finding out just how much debt Peter Britcliffe has racked up since 2003. Labour had one year of control and balanced the books, I'm not anticipating any 'good news' from eight years of Tory accounting.

For the moment, Hyndburn has to take precedence over national politics because it is something I can actually influence but just brace yourself for a raft of news stories sourced from Hyndburn Tory HQ regurgitating the old tosh that 13 years of Labour rule, no support from Graham Jones......zzzzz....have left us in a terrible state.

It has nothing to do with Labour in Hyndburn, the local Conservatives will ultimately be responsible for our financial state.

jaysay · 24-10-2010, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Busy old time in the village at the moment, plus I've been asked to chip in with Baxenden as much as I can. No time for national stuff right now....

To come back to your original question, there's always going to be the perception that politics only benefits the better off but the Tory model always seems to lead to vast swathes of the working class being laid off whilst the toffs at the top come out reasonably unscathed. If you have millions in the bank then a few extra thousand in tax will be irritating but easily absorbed (if not avoided altogether by clever accounting) but a few hundred for someone much lower down the social ladder is going to be a killer.

It's all a question of perspective and I'm not going to defend everything that Labour has done in the past 13 years either. For one thing, it had absolutely nothing to do with me but also I am allowed to have my own viewpoint within the party. Gordon Brown surprised us all with rather lax regulation of the financial sector, particularly after his mostly positive stint as Chancellor, but this new Conservative coalition is slicing the country to bits.

The Hyndburn Conservatives are no different really. They spout on about how 13 years of Labour rule have left us in an age of austerity and then spend money like no tomorrow so they can get vote-grabbing stories in The Observer. If Labour takes control next May then I am not looking forward to finding out just how much debt Peter Britcliffe has racked up since 2003. Labour had one year of control and balanced the books, I'm not anticipating any 'good news' from eight years of Tory accounting.

For the moment, Hyndburn has to take precedence over national politics because it is something I can actually influence but just brace yourself for a raft of news stories sourced from Hyndburn Tory HQ regurgitating the old tosh that 13 years of Labour rule, no support from Graham Jones......zzzzz....have left us in a terrible state.

It has nothing to do with Labour in Hyndburn, the local Conservatives will ultimately be responsible for our financial state.

Balanced the books your lot let a £2 million black hole