Redundancy good for the soul - Page 2

Mancie · 16-02-2009, 22:49

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Yes it can be negative put it can equally be the kick up the arse you sometimes need. I have been made it once and it made me think about what i wanted to do rather than plod along as i was

a kick up the arse?.. what planet are you on.. makes me laugh sometimes.. tell that (in person) to any of the 22,000 woolworh employees out of work since the new year...as you say it may have done you some good.. but then agian there may not have been millions in the same position as now.. what an arrogant sswat!

blazey · 16-02-2009, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Mancie

a kick up the arse?.. what planet are you on.. makes me laugh sometimes.. tell that (in person) to any of the 22,000 woolworh employees out of work since the new year...as you say it may have done you some good.. but then agian there may not have been millions in the same position as now.. what an arrogant sswat!

Most people decide to go back to college an re-educate, or opt for career changes and such.

Very few people completely give up and kill themselves.

People fall but they pick themselves up. It happens throughout life and I don't see why life has to end because of a financial crisis.

cashman · 16-02-2009, 23:01

disagree, just as many are not competant enough to go to college.

blazey · 16-02-2009, 23:13

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Originally Posted by cashman

disagree, just as many are not competant enough to go to college.

Many people go back and do GCSEs and find they find them much easier at college as they're given more individual attention and taught at their own level.

I know many people do it and I know there are people on this forum that have done it so its not impossible.

I was with a couple last night who where in a similar situation in the 70's and went to uni together and got degrees and now have their own trade union. They were talking about this very same topic.

Most of the time this believe in a lack of competency begins at school with teachers who simply don't have the time to focus on individual student needs.

I have experience with these GCSE classes at college and I've seen the variety of levels that attend them and succeed so I'm not completely blind in this area.

And it doesn't have to be academic courses either, many people retrain in new vocational professions.

I see it happen so I don't have any reason to believe it isn't doable. Willpower is the main thing to success, not 'competence'.

Mancie · 16-02-2009, 23:16

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Originally Posted by blazey

Most people decide to go back to college an re-educate, or opt for career changes and such.

Very few people completely give up and kill themselves.

People fall but they pick themselves up. It happens throughout life and I don't see why life has to end because of a financial crisis.

who's talk is about killing themselves?... what are you lot on?.. I remember working in london in office relocation ..driving past the pickets and strikers at the conflict at Wapping when 5,000 printers lost their jobs..a passenger in the car said "sod em.. they will just have to get another job"... I said that those 5,000 new unemployed were soon gonna be looking to take his job.. he shut up.. and it's true..there will always be people made redundant and people sacked.. but beware when it amounts to thousands in one area.. or even millions at a time in a country.. then the time come when you are not needed.. then try the whole "kick up the arse" theory

cashman · 16-02-2009, 23:16

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Originally Posted by blazey

Many people go back and do GCSEs and find they find them much easier at college as they're given more individual attention and taught at their own level.

I know many people do it and I know there are people on this forum that have done it so its not impossible.

I was with a couple last night who where in a similar situation in the 70's and went to uni together and got degrees and now have their own trade union. They were talking about this very same topic.

Most of the time this believe in a lack of competency begins at school with teachers who simply don't have the time to focus on individual student needs.

I have experience with these GCSE classes at college and I've seen the variety of levels that attend them and succeed so I'm not completely blind in this area.

And it doesn't have to be academic courses either, many people retrain in new vocational professions.

I see it happen so I don't have any reason to believe it isn't doable. Willpower is the main thing to success, not 'competence'.

oh i agree its doable with willpower no question, i was phrasing it diplomatically, but as ya didn't grasp me meaning, theres just as many thick gits.

garinda · 16-02-2009, 23:17

We could have a work force made up of 99% graduates, but you've still got to have jobs for them to do afterwards.

cashman · 16-02-2009, 23:19

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Originally Posted by garinda

We could have a work force made up of 99% graduates, but you've still got to have jobs for them to do afterwards.

exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.

Lilly · 16-02-2009, 23:21

I agree with Caz.

Redundancy can be a chance to take a new direction and seize other opportunities. You may even come to look back on it as a blessing. It's all well and good if you're not desperate for the money.

It's a different tale if you rely on every penny and don't know how you'll manage until you get another job.

shillelagh · 16-02-2009, 23:21

Ive been made redundant once 3 weeks before my 21st birthday ... i started a new job on my 21st birthday. I admit it i was lucky ... It was 1988 and there wasnt a recession.
Was brought home by my boss and and he said he was sorry to let me go. He was ill and he died a couple of months later. It made me realise that a job is not for life ... like it used to be and anyone could be got rid of. Redundancy can make people look at life different .. find a job they want to do and retrain, go to college or university or get another job. Thing is because its the recession and jobs are going everywhere that getting another job is hard .. firms who are wanting employees are going to pick the best, the ones who need least training, or even the cheapest. Especially if they can get government money to pay some if not all their wages.

garinda · 16-02-2009, 23:22

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Originally Posted by cashman

exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.

Still, the two million could always turn into entrepeneurs, and start up their own small business, like Blazey's friends, who have their own trade union.

Mancie · 16-02-2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by cashman

exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.

pretty cheap when you can nick em off the leader of the opposition outside a takeaway

MargaretR · 16-02-2009, 23:25

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Originally Posted by garinda

Still, the two million could always turn into entrepeneurs, and start up their own small business, like Blazey's friends, who have their own trade union.

Trade unions can't have a future when there are no workers to pay subs

lancsdave · 16-02-2009, 23:27

How can a couple own their own trade union

lancsdave · 16-02-2009, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Lilly

I agree with Caz.

Redundancy can be a chance to take a new direction and seize other opportunities. You may even come to look back on it as a blessing. It's all well and good if you're not desperate for the money.

It's a different tale if you rely on every penny and don't know how you'll manage until you get another job.

It can also be a chance for a new direction and be desparate for money