Redundancy good for the soul

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Trade unions can't have a future when there are no workers to pay subs

Bash on Margaret.. and that is exactly the way the Tories have always aimed for.

[blazey]

There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

People just need to be determined to carry on.

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

[blazey]

Disputes arise all the time during these situations, people say they are unfairly laid off or put under intense pressure, doing the work that would ordinarily be done by two people and so on.

Need I even go on?

Not EVERYONE loses their jobs.

[Mancie]

Of couse Blazey people carry on.. and force .. with will power and support .. will get you were you want.. but are you saying that a town that has an industry that may employ 2,000 to 3,000 and that employment is cut in one week .. then everyone can create the energy and in built determination that you seem to enjoy?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Of couse Blazey people carry on.. and force .. with will power and support .. will get you were you want.. but are you saying that a town that has an industry that may employ 2,000 to 3,000 and that employment is cut in one week .. then everyone can create the energy and in built determination that you seem to enjoy?

thats so true,n to be honest i once thought like blazey, n that aint a dig at kids, but as ya get older n take on more responsibility, that can soon drain away,after a few times redundant.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by blazey

There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

People just need to be determined to carry on.

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

Most economic forecasters agree that even if the present financial crisis ended tomorrow, it will take at least twenty years to recover to it's former position.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by blazey

Not EVERYONE loses their jobs.

In the Great Depression of the 1920's/30's, which some people here will still remember, unemployment peaked at 24.9% of the workforce.

Having such a small percent of the population working and paying taxes, to support the young, the elderly, and of course the unemployed, puts a great deal of pressure on what really is only a very fragile social order.

[Mancie]

If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mancie

If anyone on hear remembers the great depression then they have been silent.. I remember when accrington unemployment was almost 20% in the early eighties... then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

thats been done to death on here mancie,no-one that lived through that "POLICE STATE" will ever ferget.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

then to be told by a Government that was elected by lets say more prosperous areas ..to get on your bike and find work.. "like le'tour de london" long bike ride.. and the same old Tory bods come creeping out like woodlice..

Your theory is flawed though.

Hyndburn returned a Conservative M.P. in 1983.

Or was that one of the 'more prosperous areas' you were referring to?

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

Your theory is flawed though.

Hyndburn returned a Conservative M.P. in 1983.

Or was that one of the 'more prosperous areas' you were referring to?

yes it was.. most parents that were still employed supported their unemployed teens in basic food and clothing and you know it... as it got longer and longer it got harder and harder... the "job" center got packed and more packed.. the then Mr heagreaves was a puppet and in the end was destroyed by his own party.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Mancie

yes it was.. most parents that were still employed supported their unemployed teens in basic food and clothing and you know it... as it got longer and longer it got harder and harder... the "job" center got packed and more packed.. the then Mr heagreaves was a puppet and in the end was destroyed by his own party.

...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by garinda

...and yet the good people of Hyndburn kept returning him, right up until 1992.

I'm afraid you've just got to accept that it was your good old salt of the Earth working classes who supported Maggie by the millions.

The number of Tory grandees didn't increase. It was the hoards of traditional Labour supporters who bought into the dream of owning their own house, having shares, which ironically they already owned because they were nationalised industries, and wanted to 'better' their own lives.

yes .. twas hard times for all..people became afriad of the Tories.. they did what they felt.. but no.. was not my freinds.. they did not stoop as low as jaysay,andrew,royboy..some poeple did endure and stayed with the sufferings that jaysay/andrew/royboy/ had imposed on us .. we fought against these devils .. nay ..harbringers of evil which was..untill then unknown to mankind...but let me say.. these bringers of destruction and petulence .. the three horsemen.. I will not weaken in my struggle.. I shall endure the hardship of ridicule ..and abuse..

[onlyme]

Originally Posted by blazey

There are opportunities even in these climates. The world doesn't grind to a halt.

Yes there are opportunities, but a hell of a lot less than is needed

I saw some statistics the other day at a careers talk which showed some businesses are actually taking on MORE trainees than before.

Why?

Because in a few years when things start picking it up it helps to have people working instead of the entire workforce retiring.

Or because its cheaper laying off experienced workers and employing ones to be trained,

Obviously banking and real estate are heavily hit at the moment. Most of the people planning on going into that are now flocking towards law (damn them) but there are all sorts of opportunities around. There are even safe opportunities for investment.

Banks cant lend money, firms rely on money for cash flow, firms cant pay suppliers, suppliers then cant pay workforce.... doesnt take a genuis (or even a law student)

People just need to be determined to carry on.

you can be as determined as you want, determination doent feed, clothe or house your family (unless your are said student who, incidentally gets funded by the taxes of this determined workforce you speak about)

And I mentioned suicide because that is the extreme alternative to giving up looking for a new job and continuing with life.

Yep, thats a new one to cutting the unemployment statistics, encourage said 'less determined' workforce to top themselves gives less on the dole and our government stats look fab.

Blazey, you are fortunate enought to live in a very sheltered life at the moment, and fair play to you, for working hard enough to get there. It may be hard for you to see the real effects of whats happening, maybe you havent seen more and more of your friends and ex workmates being made redundant. I hope you never have to struggle to put food on the table, or pay your rent or mortgage. Unfortunately more and more people these days are going through hell to do so

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

exactly theres now nearly 2 million out of work n bikes are too expensive.

Well that's true cashy, somebody has just swiped Lance Armstrong's purpose built racing bike