Referedum on EU Treaty

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

It beats me why, with a reported 80% of the population in favour of a referendum, our elected representatives felt justified in disregarding the national sense of unease over this issue.

What next?

I suppose the campaign for a referendum on getting out of the EU altogether starts here!

that seems to be the case,as the VAST majority of people i speak to, (in the real world) Greg, do NOT believe what the government is saying about the treaty being way differant to the constitution,i have always up to recently been pro-europe as i said earlier in the thread, so did not vote in this poll, the government should have the balls to stick to there pledge,whilst you say fewer than 10 have approached you,do you never speak to "real people" in yer constituency? i suggest you do when up this way,and then come back here n say honestly,what the majority want.

[Acrylic-bob]

As an example of the shabby and underhanded way the government of Gordon Brown has dealt with the issue of the Lisbon Treaty Ratification take a look at this.... it's a bit long but it is worth persisting with...

Article Text- I Want a Referendum

Cutting Parliamentary time for debate, no line-by-line scrutiny, vital issues completely ignored - We are being sold down the river by a government composed of liars, cheats and institutionalised incompetants.

Maybe that much maligned and "irrelevant" body, The House of Lords, is all that now stands between a soveriegn United Kingdom and a Federal Europe.

If you care who your country belongs to, start emailing their Lordships NOW!

[Acrylic-bob]

Apparently it is not possible to email the vast majority of Peers at the House of Lords because they do not have offices or email addresses. However,the public are welcome to contact Members of the House of Lords. Please note that the Lords do not represent geographic areas (constituencies) so you will not have a specific Lord for your area, as you do with MPs.

The best way to contact a Lord is by writing to them.

Letters should be addressed to individual Members at The House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW.

Here is how to address your letter, XXX is replaced by the Peer's surname.

Baron (Lord)
Beginning of letter ... Dear Lord XXX
End of letter ... Yours sincerely
Envelope ... The (Rt Hon. the) Lord XXX

Baroness
Beginning of letter ... Dear Lady XXX
End of letter ... Yours sincerely
Envelope ... The (Rt Hon. the) Baroness XXX

Here is a list of the crossbench Peers.( Peers in the House of Lords who do not take a party whip and sit on the Crossbenches.)

UK Parliament - Crossbench Members

There is no time to waste. Pick a Peer and get your pen and paper out and let them know what you think!

[andrewb]

When is the house of lords vote?

[Acrylic-bob]

As far as I can make out, sometime before they break up for the summer.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Cutting Parliamentary time for debate, no line-by-line scrutiny, vital issues completely ignored - We are being sold down the river by a government composed of liars, cheats and institutionalised incompetants.

...and Greg Pope had the sheer gall to come on here and call those who objected to this charade "less than honest"!

[jaysay]

Don't blame me I voted Conservative

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

It beats me why, with a reported 80% of the population in favour of a referendum, our elected representatives felt justified in disregarding the national sense of unease over this issue.

What next?

I suppose the campaign for a referendum on getting out of the EU altogether starts here!

Because the whole concept of British democracy is flawed in the extreme. It is akin to a DICTATORSHIP.

The first and major flaw is that the PM chooses who serves in the cabinet and front bench and if they do not toe the line they loose their job and the lucrative perks that go with it. Self-interest almost guarantees that the front bench sycophants do as they are told.

MP’s are forced to vote the way the whole party votes under pain of expulsion from the party. The Whips see to it that they do.

Too many front benchers are versed in law and thus know how to ‘fiddle’ the words to make them mean something different.

The only campaign that I am aware of is the with the UKIP party at http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php where there is a list of which MP voted which way on the EU Treaty.

“MISSION STATEMENT
The UK Independence Party is committed to withdrawing Britain from the European Union. As the debate on the new Constitution has now made clear, the EU agenda is complete political union with all the main functions of national government taken over by the bureaucratic institutions of Brussels.

UKIP believes that this is not only bad for Britain's economy and prosperity, but it is an alien system of government that will ultimately prove to be totally unacceptable to the British people. UKIP would replace Britain's membership of the European Union with the kind of agreements on free trade and co-operation that we thought we had signed up to when we first joined what was then called the European Economic Community..

The UK Independence Party is the fourth largest political party in the UK. We currently have 9 members of the European Parliament who use their positions exclusively to expose the true nature of the EU and to campaign for British withdrawal. Our party has a full range of policies including a firm line on immigration. A policy of non-discrimination is enshrined in our constitution.”

You can join the UKIP for £20 pa or £10 if you are on benefits, are a student or an OAP. Payment is by credit card.

It is time to put my money where my mouth is.

Is anyone going to join me?

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Greg Pope

As it happens I think we probably should have a referendum at some point on whether we stay in the EU or not, as it is a radically different organisation to the one on which we had a referendum in 1975.

Why did you vote against the lib dems amendment if you think this?

For anybody that doesn't know, the Lib Dems requested an amendment calling for a referendum on whether we should be in or out of the EU at all.

Both Conservatives and Labour (including Greg Pope) voted against it.

If people believe we shouldn't be in the EU at all, then UKIP is the way to go. However I don't believe that it would be in our interests to leave completely, as it is good for our economy to stay in providing it is an economic community and NOT giving away our sovereign powers.

Remember the Conservatives were the only party out of the 3 main ones which actually kept to what they were elected on. Many of the Lib Dems abstained, I don't think sitting on the fence is a good way to represent people! Whilst Labour simply voted directly against what they told everyone they would do in 2005. How can we believe them when the next election comes round?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

Whilst Labour simply voted directly against what they told everyone they would do in 2005. How can we believe them when the next election comes round?

yer being silly cyfr, its EXACTLY the same as the torys P.B. in the local arena, the LARGEST % of all of em are liars to suit there own cause n you know it.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cashman

yer being silly cyfr, its EXACTLY the same as the torys P.B. in the local arena, the LARGEST % of all of em are liars to suit there own cause n you know it.

Do you have any direct evidence of this? I'm pointing out the evidence I have, that Labour voted against their manifesto promise.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

Do you have any direct evidence of this? I'm pointing out the evidence I have, that Labour voted against their manifesto promise.

well if you want to call Katex n Claytonender liars go right ahead,be my guest, i know personally 1 of em.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cashman

well if you want to call Katex n Claytonender liars go right ahead,be my guest, i know personally 1 of em.

Presumably you're referring to Peter Britcliffe? I don't know of any election manifestos he has broken. Please enlighten.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

Presumably you're referring to Peter Britcliffe? I don't know of any election manifestos he has broken. Please enlighten.

you clever little get, you know damn well it was about polititions lying.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cashman

you clever little get, you know damn well it was about polititions lying.

No, their manifesto tells us what they are going to do for us, Greg decided to ignore what he had said in the manifesto which he was elected upon. He voted directly opposite to the way he said he would.

What I meant was has Peter told us he was going to implement X policy so everyone votes for him, then do the complete opposite, e.g. vote against it? It might well be that he has, I'm not involved enough in local politics to know.

I don't want to rerun the silly cow thread, we all made our minds up about that situation. I happen to think it's different to tell us what you're going to do when you're in office and do the opposite, as opposed to trying to backtrack on name calling. What I'm trying to say is the silly cow thing has no effect on if he's delivering the policy he said he would deliver once elected.