Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[cashman]

I do not think for 1 min Corbyn would get in, reckon people have rumbled him! many labour voters, including me have abdicated the party because that imbecile is the leader, dont forget many Labour voters voted OUT.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy, I think that many might have seen through him, but there are still an awful lot of gullible people out there who might put him in power(there are still a core of hardened Labour voters...called Momentum I think)..especially as he is keen to promise things that he cannot possibly deliver....but if folk think they are going to get more in the way of handouts(paid for by those who are deemed by the Labour Party 'rich').,.then they do not question it.
It is not an impossibility....and this was what created the greatest problem for TM....she felt that people were sensible enough to see through the lies of the Labour Leader.
Had she NOT done this, then her position in Westminster would have been stronger.
She was badly misled.

Yes, I know that many in the heartlands of Labour country voted out, but the message from the Labour Party has not been clear in respect of Brexit.
The other thing is...politicians can promise any damn thing they like when in opposition, they know that they are never going to have to deliver on these promises.
In election campaigns too...they promise the earth and deliver fisons...because once they are in the electorate are sewn up for a period of time.
In this time they could run the country into the ground...and Labour has been shown very clearly to have little grasp on prudent financial policy.

What these whinging remainders do....and those who predict doom and disaster(and these are usually civil servants who are feeding this tripe to gutless politicos) is they show our hand of cards to those in the EU that we are playing against.
They cannot see that a United front....with everyone(and I mean EVERYONE) having the same story would scare the wits out of those over in Brussels.
They NEED our money, because without it they each will have to pay in more from their own funds or see the whole thing go belly up.
They NEED our trade. 17% of German motor cars are sold here in the U.K....what would the loss of this trade do to German industry and their domestic budget.

Those of us who voted to leave are treated as though we need watering twice a week
I made it my business to find out as much as I could before I made my vote.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that I have seen since I voted makes me question my decision, or change my point of view.
In fact had I voted to remain, then the antics that have passed for negotiations would give me cause for concern.
I hope that there is NO deal....because though we may have a few tough years, it will be worth it to be shut of the anti democratic dishonest dictatorship that is the EU.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by hilleluk

Hear Hear Margaret, well written and totally true

Thank you Bea.
I say it as I see it...there is no other way.

[cashman]

I still think the man will never be elected as P.M. margaret. to me theres very little chance of that.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I sincerely hope you are right Cashy...truly I do.
It would be the end for this country if he were ever elected.

[cashman]

If he were ever elected, i agree would be a national disaster. the way i see things is he got elected simply cos people were sick to the back teeth of the Blairite scum that had emerged.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, I think you are right there
Tony Blair and his ilk were champagne socialists....they were far closer to being Tory than being Labour/Socialist.
That man did more to harm the fabric of British society and the reputation of the UK than any invading forces could ever do.
He is a despicable man....a war criminal,who still sees himself as the saviour of this county.
He was made a peace envoy for the Middle East....and there has been disharmony in that region ever since.

[Mark2009]

On a number of the news channels today has been the "Armageddon" Brexit scenario which has been leaked by Whitehall as an outcome of leaving the EU with no deal. These "clever" people feel there are apparently 3 levels of disaster facing us, the middle one being food , fuel and medicine shortages occurring very quickly and the port of Dover falling apart on the first day.
Theresa May and her cronies are dismissing it as hysterical. I am quite willing to go along with that and put it down to Remainers trying to "stir things up", but what I find difficult to accept is that there should be such differences of opinion within Whitehall and the Government about what may be the outcome of the path we voted to go down. I wonder if Ms May is secretly hoping for no deal so she can in her thoughts be the one who pulls the UK back from the brink.
If we leave with no deal, there will surely be work to be done by the Government of the day to keep us on the right path, but I am struggling to think who that person/ people would be from any Political party.
Mark

[Margaret Pilkington]

They just want to scare the hell out of the population.
I sometimes wonder if much of the press is in the pay of the EU.

Much of these scare stories have been formulated by civil servants( they have a vested interest in us staying in the EU...it means far less work for them)and no one knows what will happen.
Before the vote George Osborne predicted that the Uk would spiral into a financial decline.
It did not happen, the Bank of England were very pessimistic about financial markets and business....but these were all fabricated....and this is because NO ONE knows exactly what will happen.....other than our politicians will have to earn their corn(rather than being able to sit on their rumps and have rules and regulations formulated by the bureaucrats in Brussels).
They will have to knuckle down and do the work that government should be doing,

If there is a no deal scenario...what is termed a hard Brexit....I cannot see how TM can be seen to pull us back from the brink.....because there will be no brink.
We will be OUT.....and if it was felt this was the wrong decision, we would have to apply to join again....we would be forced to accept the single currency(this is a condition required by anyone joining the EU) I am also pretty sure that the bureaucrats would penalise the UK in as many ways as possible.
Michel Barnier has already said that he has no intention of negotiating, that the EU wants to punish the U.K.

I think there are other worries for the EU....the election of Anti EU populist governments in Italy(even though the EU have parachuted a technocrat in to ensure compliance with regulations) Slovakia is also in a similar position, Hungary too...and all because the EU does not accept democratic process.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Mark, by "news channels" I guess you mean the "speculation channels" that too many me-ja outlets have become.
In my mind 'news' is what has happened, not what might conceivably happen if a series of assumptions come true.
EVERY news channel has its agenda. Our job is to realise just what that agenda is and adjust our credulity accordingly.

And in answer to Margaret's question, the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation for one receives or has received money from the EU. Who'd have thought it?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Mark, by "news channels" I guess you mean the "speculation channels" that too many me-ja outlets have become.
In my mind 'news' is what has happened, not what might conceivably happen if a series of assumptions come true.
EVERY news channel has its agenda. Our job is to realise just what that agenda is and adjust our credulity accordingly.

So very true.
All of these postulations are just guesses....and not very educated guesses either.
What these folk who spread this tripe fail to realise is that every time one of these stories is published, those in the EU rub their hands in glee....because they see the population of the UK running around like headless chickens.
They like to see these divisions sown by the media...It makes their job so much easier.
It is far easier to conquer and rule a divided nation.
We do NOT need the EU anywhere as much as they need us.
We export only something like 39% of goods into the EU and this figure is falling.
If we accept a customs union and a single market we will be tied into the EU forever....paying into the coffers, but with no say in any policies(not that having a say makes any difference...we have NEVER had a single vote that has gone in our favour in the past)...this would be the worst deal ever.
We could not broker deals under the WTO rules while tied into this kind of deal.
We need to be OUT....right out, this is not the hokey-cokey.

[Margaret Pilkington]

If I were TM(though I am glad I am not...you would not envy a woman who had to deal with snakes in her own government and snakes round the negotiating table) I would tell Michel Barnier what I was prepared to offer(the divorce bill and not much else) I would walk away and tell him to call me when he had a meaningful offer for me to consider...and I would walk away without a backward glance.
I would be telling those in the Lords to shut up and sit down....I would tell dissenters in my own party that the electorate had made their wishes clear and that is what the focus will be on...delivering an exit.
As for the Irish border situation, that is not for TM to solve...this is an EU border and it is up to them to sort it out.
Alas, I can do none of these things.

[Exile on Spencer St]

For my own amusement I just had to do a bit of research. For ease, the figures below are for the end of 3 year periods starting in 2004.
From what's publicly available online (of course it took FoI requests to get anything out of the BBC) it seems the BBC received the following from the EU:

2007 - £517,000
2010 - £2,081,000
2013 - 'about' £3,000,000
2016 - £2,333,000

Apparently this is regarded as peanuts by the BBC. And no doubt by the EU too, given that you have to feed a parrot if it's to be trained to say what you want.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If I were TM
Alas, I can do none of these things.

Margaret, I'll vote for you. You can do it.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I am too old, not well educated enough, and well known as a gobby old bird.