Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

How come Dyson who is 100% Brexit isn't building his new electric car plant in the UK but in Singapore!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45950377

How come he's not making them in the UK? People like him will never suffer because of job losses caused by a hard Brexit if it comes to a no deal Brexit.

You tell us, yeh know it all.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

How come Dyson who is 100% Brexit isn't building his new electric car plant in the UK but in Singapore!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45950377

How come he's not making them in the UK? People like him will never suffer because of job losses caused by a hard Brexit if it comes to a no deal Brexit.

The answer is simple...it is economics.

He is making them in Singapore to make them competitive.
It is what manufacturers do. Costs of labour and premises are lower in these countries...this impacts on the final price of the product.

James Dyson is rich, so whichever kind of Brexit happens it will hardly be a breeze across his brow.
Many of the left wing looney luvvies who have agitated for a second vote because they do not like the way things went, are also rich....they were not adversely affected by being in the EU....wanted to stay in it because it meant cheaper nannies cleaners etcetera, they were not going to be inconvenienced by the wait to see a GP....they could hoof it down Harley street.
Their children were not going to be held back in class because those incomers had no grasp of English....they can send their children to exclusive schools.
So being in the EU was a boon to them....they did not have to worry about crime either...they live in secured(often gated) communities.
They felt none of the chill that was caused by mass immigration and our porous borders.

Being in the EU drove down wages because of the influx of cheap labour, that is what the common man had to deal with....the wait for medical care, the deteriorating schools.
Mass immigration instigated by Tony Blair....without the appropriate infrastructure was a large part of the problem.
And please do not insult me with the rationale that councils cutting costs and lack of governmental support was the cause.
The cause was thirteen years of mismanaged Labour policies....money spent borrowed, not earned. PFI......all of those things were implicated.

Anyway, I don't care if there is no deal....we should have walked away from the table(I can't call the negotiations as there WAS no negotiation being done)a year ago...told those b's in Nrussels to call us when they were really ready to discuss what was on the table.

Has it not sunk in yet that the EU want to bring us to our knees?
Are you so weedy that you would want that?

No. Please don't bother to answer....I already know what the answer is.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have no clue where Nrussels is....I meant to type Brussels....but is obvious that my iPad hates the place every bit as much as I do.

[accybeme]

If mp’s cannot accept the referendum vote, then why should we accept the vote which gave them a seat in parliament

[cashman]

Can someone explain to me please about Northern Ireland saying they dont want an Hard Border, they want to be No different than us in the U.K.? If we go to France, Belgium or anywhere, is it not a hard border we have to go through?

[accybeme]

Well we voted for freedom and a democracy outside of the EU what being offered is a dictatorship inside the EU no border no rights and still paying into the EU coffers, vote first and take orders afterwards, is this May’s Brexit means Brexit, or is it disregard any referendum that I don’t agree with, what a wonderful democracy we are in

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have come to the conclusion that democracy is an illusion.
Whoever is in power, it is the (unelected)senior civil servants who pull all the strings.
If voting changed anything they would stop us from doing it....and yet, if the electorate makes the decisions, then that means the politicians are off the hook....they have someone else they can blame.
They think we are all brain dead morons anyway.
I despair for the future.

[accybeme]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I have come to the conclusion that democracy is an illusion.
Whoever is in power, it is the (unelected)senior civil servants who pull all the strings.
If voting changed anything they would stop us from doing it....and yet, if the electorate makes the decisions, then that means the politicians are off the hook....they have someone else they can blame.
They think we are all brain dead morons anyway.
I despair for the future.

That sounds like a script from –Yes prime minister

[kestrelx]

Out of £65.577.608 million people only 17.410.742 voted to leave and 16.141.241 voted to remain. Scotland voted 62% to remain. We could end of with Scotland separating from UK and also Northern Ireland.

Myths that have been published as headlines about the EU over the last 20 years:

EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

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[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The answer is simple...it is economics.

He is making them in Singapore to make them competitive.
It is what manufacturers do. Costs of labour and premises are lower in these countries...this impacts on the final price of the product.

James Dyson is rich, so whichever kind of Brexit happens it will hardly be a breeze across his brow.
Many of the left wing looney luvvies who have agitated for a second vote because they do not like the way things went, are also rich....they were not adversely affected by being in the EU....wanted to stay in it because it meant cheaper nannies cleaners etcetera, they were not going to be inconvenienced by the wait to see a GP....they could hoof it down Harley street.
Their children were not going to be held back in class because those incomers had no grasp of English....they can send their children to exclusive schools.
So being in the EU was a boon to them....they did not have to worry about crime either...they live in secured(often gated) communities.
They felt none of the chill that was caused by mass immigration and our porous borders.

Being in the EU drove down wages because of the influx of cheap labour, that is what the common man had to deal with....the wait for medical care, the deteriorating schools.
Mass immigration instigated by Tony Blair....without the appropriate infrastructure was a large part of the problem.
And please do not insult me with the rationale that councils cutting costs and lack of governmental support was the cause.
The cause was thirteen years of mismanaged Labour policies....money spent borrowed, not earned. PFI......all of those things were implicated.

Anyway, I don't care if there is no deal....we should have walked away from the table(I can't call the negotiations as there WAS no negotiation being done)a year ago...told those b's in Nrussels to call us when they were really ready to discuss what was on the table.

Has it not sunk in yet that the EU want to bring us to our knees?
Are you so weedy that you would want that?

No. Please don't bother to answer....I already know what the answer is.

Dyson is still a hypocrite (he should be supporting his country the one he is telling to get out the EU) and many complaining about EU (leaving it) will be brown bread soon so it won't matter either way. Also the right wing also live in gated and security communities. Nigel Farage also is millionaire and has got his kids German passports for when the sh*t hits the fan and they can get out the country and also his wife is German too.

[accybeme]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Out of £65.577.608 million people only 17.410.742 voted to leave and 16.141.241 voted to remain. Scotland voted 62% to remain. We could end of with Scotland separating from UK and also Northern Ireland.

Myths that have been published as headlines about the EU over the last 20 years:

EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

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Talk about myths and distortion
Your opening line is a distortion of the facts out of 65m people only 17.4 voted to leave
but the fact is less than 46m of that 65m were eligible to vote, the only fact that matters is the majority voted to leave

[cashman]

Originally Posted by accybeme

Talk about myths and distortion
Your opening line is a distortion of the facts out of 65m people only 17.4 voted to leave
but the fact is less than 46m of that 65m were eligible to vote, the only fact that matters is the majority voted to leave

Why anyone takes notice of thin mon baffles me.he has always spouted crap on here.

[Less]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Dyson is still a hypocrite (he should be supporting his country the one he is telling to get out the EU) and many complaining about EU (leaving it) will be brown bread soon so it won't matter either way. Also the right wing also live in gated and security communities. Nigel Farage also is millionaire and has got his kids German passports for when the sh*t hits the fan and they can get out the country and also his wife is German too.

So, if I understand correctly and I'm only working on my own experiences here, if his wife is German then automatically his children have the right to dual nationality, he didn't sneak them a passport anymore than I did for my kids, (born here with a Southern Irish mother) this gives them a right to a passport for either Country, nothing underhand just the way it is.
As it is with my grandkids, their mother Russian they can choose which passports they wish to use, very handy when they decide either to work for the KGB or MI5 or maybe even the IRA!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Dyson is still a hypocrite (he should be supporting his country the one he is telling to get out the EU) and many complaining about EU (leaving it) will be brown bread soon so it won't matter either way. Also the right wing also live in gated and security communities. Nigel Farage also is millionaire and has got his kids German passports for when the sh*t hits the fan and they can get out the country and also his wife is German too.

No he is not a hypocrite...he is a businessman, interested in making products that will sell at a profit.
It is what businessmen do.
The UK would be a very expensive place to produce this product....making it less competitive.

Which right wingers are you talking about then....and because there are those with money who live in areas that are gated....makes it alright does it?

Those who have money and influence are not in a position to spout their looney ideas because they are not in touch with the world that we populate....and that includes most MP's.

As For Nigel Farage....well of course his children are going to have German passports as they have a German mother.....I would presume that she has family in Germany....they may also have English passports too.
But what has that got to do with anything?
Nigel Farage was an MEP.....or had that escaped your scrutiny.

[Margaret Pilkington]

As for your list of Myths..THEY MATTER NOT ONE JOT. (Can you prove that all these are bogus regulations? The European Commission are hardly an independent source....they are not going to portray the EU in anything other than favourable light)

There was a vote and the majority who took themselves to the polls voted to LEAVE the EU.
In the intervening period, those who voted to leave have been lambasted, insulted and wished dead....and even you mention this, as if it is something to be celebrated joyfully.

How thick are those who are agitating to stay in the EU?
They have seen the nasty tactics use by various EU 'negotiators' and I use that term in the loosest sense, because there has been NO attempt to negotiate.....still the remainers want to stay....WHY? We have been treated with nothing but contempt since the vote.
They wanted us to stay....but treated us appallingy.
All they really want is our contribution and without it they are in deep do-doo