Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by MoreJoe

I heard that the Prime Minister is thinking about formally changing her name.
To Theresa Maybe.

To be fair to the PM....she has had a very tough time. Many men would have thrown in the towel long before this...like DC did when he heard the result of the referendum...but she hasn't done that.

She is not only fighting the snakes over the channel...she has a basket full of them both in her own government and in other parties too.
The CBI have talked the UK down, the Bank of England's Mark Carney has talked the UK down.....Tony Blair has felt the need to put his twopennorth in, Keir Starmer, Dominic Grieve....the list of those who have spent time in undermining efforts to get out of the EU....undermining the efforts of the PM, are endless.
This is exactly how the EU want it....they want uncertainty, they want confusion, they want division....because it weakens our power to bargain.
Why on earth can these educated people not see this?

So let's give her her due.....you may not like her or what she stands for But you have to admit she has been persistent.

She has gone back to those snakes(because that is her job) to try to get something that is clearly not being offered...negotiation.
You cannot negotiate unless the other party actually WANTS to compromise.
It has been clear from the start that there was never going to be any compromise from the EU side.

She was gifted a poison chalice by the coward David Cameron.
She has done what many others would not even have attempted...she is a Remainer at heart so it cannot be easy to do what the electorate have asked of her.

I hope that her deal crashes and burns, but fair play to her...she has tried.

[hilleluk]

Hear Hear Margaret, Well written, and totally true

[Margaret Pilkington]

Thank you Bea.
I just say it how I see it.
No bullshine for me.

[MoreJoe]

My mistake.
I was merely offering a humble quip intended to brighten someone's day.
I will try not to sing out of key....Joe Cocker

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, Morejoe....that is OK....but to be fair I think most of us are a bit disillusioned regarding this topic...but, hey you were not to know that.

[MoreJoe]

In the immortal words of Douglas Adams:
"Don't Panic"
&
"Always know where your towel is"

[Margaret Pilkington]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-seized-power
This link is for KestrelX
This is the reason that I voted leave.
The politicians over the years have bamboozled not just the people here, but the people in the countries of Europe....this was always the plan.....that we should be shepherded into a superstate without us ever being aware of what was happening.
We have been manipulated and deviously sucked into this path.
Until 2016 we were never given the opportunity to decide whether we wanted to be socially, financially and politically aligned.
what we joined was a trading organisation....the EU is more than that now and it has morphed in a sinister way.
It is Government by deception....democracy trounced...the people deemed too uneducated, too emotional, too patriotic to make decisions affecting their lives.

Now if you want to hand the running of our country to those unelected mandarins(if they do a crap job, we cannot eject them) in Brussels....I do not.

[Mark2009]

Re Seaborne freight who have a contract to provide extra ferry sailings post Brexit -
"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union."

I' ve got headache
- Mark

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mark2009

Re Seaborne freight who have a contract to provide extra ferry sailings post Brexit -
"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union."

I' ve got headache
- Mark

Its no big deal. they dont get any brass until they prove the service i heard yesterday.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Mark2009

Re Seaborne freight who have a contract to provide extra ferry sailings post Brexit -
"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union."

I' ve got headache
- Mark

ex dodgy chairman of hartlepool united involved in it. thank goodness for andy holt.

[Margaret Pilkington]

This is all smoke and mirrors stuff.
The government are doing a bit of their own project fear. This is in order to get the crappy deal we have been offered,rubber stamped by MP's and accepted as an acceptable deal by the electorate.

They are trying to tell us that the Dover route for freight will be adversely affected by a No deal scenario...that there will be severe shortages.
This is bull dust.
Very little freight and goods arrives in this country via Dover.
Most of the goods we rely on come via other ports and they are capable of dealing with a no deal scenario.
How do I know this....a cousin of mine is a customs officer at Felixstowe....he tells me not to listen to the stuff we are being fed by the government and the media....as it is not true.

Now I am not saying that things will be trouble free, but it is not the picture that the government are painting.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Now I am not saying that things will be trouble free, but it is not the picture that the government are painting.

the longer i keep reading stuff like this it really does make me wonder how we all actually survived never mind lived before the common market and the EU. well i would not have the pick of 100,s of wines and had my life enriched by all the experiances i,ve had over the years. yes EU thanks a bunch.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Of course you would have had the wines and the experiences. They might have been different wines, different experiences.

You have to remember that way back when the EU was formulated, the world was coming out of a long and bloody conflict.
(The EU was seen as being the solution to future peace. It was also sold to us as a trading organisation....but then that was the plan....draw the suckers in, let them believe this is for economic purposes....but the plan was always to ensure political union at a later date....rule by oligarchy, not democracy)
There was not the disposable income back then, people had simple expectations that matched the finances they had.
But to think that unless we belong to an undemocratic(and it is undemocratic for a reason....and if you have read the Frederick Forsyth piece you will know what that reason is.
If you haven't read it then I would recommend it to you. It will clarify many things)organisation that takes the sovereignty of its members and trashes them, then I am sorry to say I think you are misguided.
Do you think that Spain, France, Greece, Portugal will want to turn away tourists who wish to spend their money in those countries, will turn these visitors away?

Some of these countries economies rely on visitors.
Do you think that Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece will refuse to sell their wine to us....?and if by chance they did there are the New World wines which I am led to believe are more than a match for some European wines.

For me, if it meant that I could never again drink a drop of wine produced in an EU country, or set foot on their soil....it would not cause me a moment's distress.

I want to be out...right out, not this Hokey-Cokey half in half out thing that is proposed.

[Hill Walker]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Of course you would have had the wines and the experiences. They might have been different wines, different experiences.

Not sure it would have been that different, the Chinese, Tai, Indian take-aways didn't come from the EU. Nor did the Caliifornian and many other wines. In fact on the food and drink side I cannot think of much that has arrived as a result of EU membership. Greek food was here before they joined, Pizza's from American franchises.

[Margaret Pilkington]

We have sleep walked into a situation that is hand cuffing us to servitude to a foreign nation,that does not have the interests of the UK or its people at its core.
We are an island nation with a proud heritage.
That is not to say that we do not welcome others, but we do not welcome being taken over.
I do not want to be a serf to The EU.