Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Margaret Pilkington]

It is a ploy used by those who want to close down a discussion(usually because they have no better argument for their case) call someone, rascist, thick, ill educated...put any adjective you like in the space.

You do not need to name call...that is playground stuff....you need to up your argument.

And there was one MP who said that the voters were too ill educated(or maybe he said that they 'did not understand...it boils down to the same thing)....let me try and think of who he represents....oh it is coming to me now...Hyndburn.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Proportional representation has not been implemented because it is felt that the electorate is too dim to understand the principle....it would mean casting a vote for candidates in order of your preference....and they think we are too thick to get this....

Margaret, I respect your view on Proprtional Representation, and suspect, eventually, it will come in. However, we great unwashed actually got a referendum on proportional representation in 2011. It was Nick Clegg’s Xmess present from his pal, Dave. The public voted by 67% to 32% against it!

[Less]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

The public voted by 67% to 32% against it!

That's a majority vote I wonder why it wasn't ignored, the referendum was.

[AccyMad]

On a slightly different note, is it just me who thinks that the labour & Tory MP's who have resigned from their respective party's should also resign as an MP?
Surely, they can't just toddle off & create their own little independent party as that's not what their constituents voted them in as. To my mind, they should all resign & there should be by-elections in each of their constituencies.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Accymad...see my post number 2369.
It says exactly that.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Margaret, I respect your view on Proprtional Representation, and suspect, eventually, it will come in. However, we great unwashed actually got a referendum on proportional representation in 2011. It was Nick Clegg’s Xmess present from his pal, Dave. The public voted by 67% to 32% against it!

Yes, I remember it well.
I think it has to come eventually...though I may not be around to see it.

I don't think it was explained well enough.(I think the nuts and bolts of the system may have put some people off...after all everyone understands the concept of first past the post)...and until you have had several wishy washy governments because there is no workable majority, perhaps it does not seem important.
Perhaps the electorate are so disaffected that they will swallow absolutely any kind of rubbish government rather than change the system to something that would lead to better representation and be fairer.
Where there are several parties trying to get into government....the current system is unfair and in no way represents the votes of the electorate.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Less, it is only democracy if they agree with the result...and they obviously did.
After all what chance had the Lib Dems of getting into government unless the system for voting was flawed and unfair.

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Accymad...see my post number 2369.
It says exactly that.

Oops, sorry Margaret - must've missed that

[Margaret Pilkington]

It's Ok....I am just glad someone else has the same ideas as me.

[monkey hanger]

[QUOTE=AccyMad;1224519]On a slightly different note, is it just me who thinks that the labour & Tory MP's who have resigned from their respective party's should also resign as an MP?

its certainly happened in the past where MP,s have changed parties but i think they have to actually wait till there is a general election before they can be voted out.

[cashman]

[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1224719]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

On a slightly different note, is it just me who thinks that the labour & Tory MP's who have resigned from their respective party's should also resign as an MP?

its certainly happened in the past where MP,s have changed parties but i think they have to actually wait till there is a general election before they can be voted out.

Was under impression if they resign,from their parties,then there has to be a By-Election? if thats correct this gutless scum should do so imho.

[Less]

I wonder?

Would it be possible for us to take the U.K. to the court of human rights?

After all, not adhering to the democratic result of the referendum is against it's citizens human rights isn't it?

Not only that but, why has the E.U. not been up in arms telling them that it is wrong not to stick with the majority, they soon get onto their pedestal if they think the human rights of an illegal immigrant or a life term serving murderer are infringed, why can't they do the same for us?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Less

I wonder?

Would it be possible for us to take the U.K. to the court of human rights?

After all, not adhering to the democratic result of the referendum is against it's citizens human rights isn't it?

Not only that but, why has the E.U. not been up in arms telling them that it is wrong not to stick with the majority, they soon get onto their pedestal if they think the human rights of an illegal immigrant or a life term serving murderer are infringed, why can't they do the same for us?

Oh, you simplistic fool Less,

allow me to explain, the lawyers and other such officials are making too much money by being in the E.U. and representing these poor put down people so you and the rest of your fellow citizens wouldn't be able to find one to represent you and take on the case.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Got it in one Less.
You can be milk monitor this week.

[accybeme]

I see MP’s that can’t agree on Brexit had no trouble on agreeing another pay rise of £2000