Referendum is a load of crap.!! - Page 213

monkey hanger · 21-09-2019, 07:59

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

None of this information is being disseminated to the general population...and a lot of them either do not know how to find it or are happy to suck up what our Pro remain biased media want to portray.

i,m a person who can usually see both sides to any question no matter what it is. on this issue i just cannot see where the remainers are coming from. never have, never will. just cannot get my head around the EU and with all the propaganda around you,d think i,d be swayed even a bit to their ways of thinking.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-09-2019, 15:01

That, Monkey hanger,is because you have not had your brain rinsed of all critical thought.

Jimmy Clitheroe · 21-09-2019, 22:39

As a nation we are the second largest contributor to the EU.
Each year we have to feed, clothe, house, educate and care for an additional number of people equivalent to the population of Nottingham. That is every year, year on year - yet the EU want an ever increasing amount from us year on year. Our roads and infrastructure are crumbling while taxes we pay go to build nice new roads in Slovakia etc. Our standard of living is falling while we subsidise Luxembourg - the richest nation in Europe. Wages remain static or fall as employers take advantage of cheap migrant labour. The whole EU ethos is unsustainable and it is only a matter of time before their crazy policies bring Europe to the brink of collapse or push voters to the extremes as it has done in France, Austria, Hungary, Belgium etc... Those who run the EU have learned nowt from history and seem hellbent on repeating the mistakes of the 30s.

Margaret Pilkington · 22-09-2019, 09:29

So, if we can see all this, then why can't our political class see it too?

Add to that the contempt shown to our politicians and our county in general.
It is unacceptable.

The clear answer is that those MP's in Westminster are not looking out for us....or the country.
They are only interested in gaining a financial gain for themselves.

Look up what will happen sometime in 2020 when the Lisbon Treaty comes into full and final action.
What this treaty does is consign us to being no more than a Parish council.
We will have to bend the knee to all the laws that come out of Brussels, there will be no individual countries vetoes to anything, we will come under the rule for harmonised taxes, financial bodies will be controlled(or may even have to move) by Frankfurt.
There will be a European army.....and the UK will have NO say over how it is funded or deployed.
There will be no accountability, the elite will be unelected and any MEP's that we elect will have no real impact on decisions.

We could get rid of all of our MP's as there will be no point in having them......and the vast sum of money saved by getting rid of both houses would be swallowed up by the increasing costs of being in this corrupt dictatorship that our gutless politicians want to shackle us to.

This is our very last chance to get out. Please Boris don't stuff it up by giving us the May WA that has been tweaked....that doesn't cut it.

Jimmy Clitheroe · 22-09-2019, 10:17

I'm also bemused by the stance of the Green Party. If the predicted slow down in the economy occurs because of Brexit then won't that mean less emissions. greenhouse gasses a reduction in consumerism - all things the Greens are seeking?

Exile on Spencer St · 22-09-2019, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Clitheroe

I'm also bemused by the stance of the Green Party. If the predicted slow down in the economy occurs because of Brexit then won't that mean less emissions. greenhouse gasses a reduction in consumerism - all things the Greens are seeking?

Aye, but the Greens want everyone else to go without just so their ‘children’ (16-45 year olds) can fly off on their gap years and world travels.

DaveinGermany · 22-09-2019, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Aye, but the Greens want everyone else to go without just so their ‘children’ (16-45 year olds) can fly off on their gap years and world travels.

Back to hair shirts & mud huts if they get their way.

Margaret Pilkington · 22-09-2019, 12:16

It won't be mud huts son, it will be caves....and they will ban fires for cooking....we'll have to eat our greens raw.

I am sick of this pseudo religion that Climate Change has become.
Went into Preston on Friday and a load of Brain rinsed kids were chanting mantras dreamed up by these nutters.....and one adult was handing out quality, shiny paper, colourful ink printed flyers decrying our irresponsible actions.

I refused to take one of these.

I asked how ecologically friendly it was to cut down trees, to use power to make paper, to use resources(probably oil based) to print this flyer.....did he not see the hypocrisy in this?

I also asked what the UK's contribution to CO2 levels was(he did not know this....so I enlightened him with 2018 figures 5.6 mT per capita....and this level has fallen by 2.4%)

I asked why he wasn't demonstrating in China which is one of the biggest producers of CO2.. he just shrugged.

I bet he was sorry that he picked on me.

Exile on Spencer St · 22-09-2019, 13:29

To return to topic, one but brave German MEP had had the cojones to speak up. For the U.K.!
God bless him, but don’t expect to see any of this on the BBC or any mainstream U.K. media.

https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_sep_mep_speech

Margaret Pilkington · 22-09-2019, 14:20

I wish I could give this man a pat on the back.
Someone who tells it like it is.

DaveinGermany · 23-09-2019, 18:42

Unfortunately Hr.Dr. Gunnar Beck, belongs to the AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) & as such will be slated & branded as being of the right, so ignored as a rabble rouser.

Margaret Pilkington · 23-09-2019, 19:29

yes, it is unfortunate...he spoke a lot of sense...but politicians today cannot recognise sense...and as Cashy so rightly observes...You cannot put sense where there is none.

monkey hanger · 24-09-2019, 08:16

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Unfortunately Hr.Dr. Gunnar Beck, belongs to the AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) & as such will be slated & branded as being of the right, so ignored as a rabble rouser.

you mean like those of us who have always wanted out are shown and spoke about in the media. wait till the bbc do a programme on brexit in some town around the country. the remainer they find will be smart, young and talks the talk where the brexit person they find will be the total opposite.

Margaret Pilkington · 24-09-2019, 10:15

Today the Supreme court ruled that the prorogation of Parliament was unlawful...and that this is the unanimous verdict of all 11 judges.
They have handed over Parlaiment to John Bercow who has informed MP's to return 'immediately'.
It seems that remianer politicians can use the law to achieve their aims, but yet we, the people do not have the same opportunity to censure the politicians who have ignored the will of the people.

Something very wrong there.

As for the PM having lied to the Queen...how do they come to that opinion...were they there?
Did they hear what he said?

I just wonder how many of these judges wer e remainers(and I know they are supposed to be impartial...but we know all about impartiality for John Bercow).

cashman · 24-09-2019, 10:19

To me it perfectly demonstrates how CORRUPT these top judges are. nobody thought it was corrupt when Major did it.