Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Less, they will still take our money....but might destroy our lotto numbers.

The EU always knew this but took advantage and that is downright immoral.

1/ on the rare occasions I play, I'm beginning to think they already have me on their no chance list.

B/ The EU aren't immoral to be immoral you have to have morals in the first place, they have always been amoral, got to admit though our house of commons is immoral they soon learnt it's better to receive than to give honest service.

[Margaret Pilkington]

As usual Less, you are spot on.
The EU IS amoral....the aim of its reason for being was to take over countries political systems by stealth....to subdue them with laws rather than guns and bloodshed.....and to let those who joined believe that there was a benefit in them being members.

When a 'club' ceases to be of benefit....you leave. That is what we should have been given the option to do before the Maastricht treaty (1992)was signed....this changed it from a trading organisation to a politicised organisation.

If you join a golf club, you pay....every member pays for the privilege of using the facility.

In the EU some members pay, so that others (who pay nothing) can take out....not reasonable, not fair and totally wrong.

[Less]

So? Have we done with this thread? Is all rosey with the world now that we’ve got a Conservative M.P?
Are we out of the EU yet?

Do you know what?

I no longer care, we were told the UK would become dust, the pound would suffer and yet...
I and the rest of us seem to be able to survive!
Where are the long queues for us to collect the products manufactured in China that we all love?
Be honest the EU is still a minor power of minor states struggling to show some importance.

Importance?

It’s always been the ones with the best trading the wimps will follow.




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[Margaret Pilkington]

Less, it was all scaremongering.
It was aimed at deflecting us from our aim of leaving....and to some degree it is still going on.
The House of Lords has to pass the legislation that ratifies the WA.

There is still some sabre rattling in the EU....they are saying that trade deals cannot be completed by the end of December.
What they mean is that they do not want them to be completed and will put every conceivable obstacle in the way of achieving a trade deal...because each month they keep us in, we pay them 1billion quid....Also until the transition period ends we are still subject to the laws they make....and they could pass punitive laws...laws that would be in their interest, but that would penalise us in trade or in banking or anything really.

It may be that if they continue on this course, the only way forward would be to leave without a deal.
This scares the EU, but yet they continue to play silly bu88ers because they don't want to lose face.

All that said we are in a far better position than we were, because many of the remainers have been booted out.

The EU are currently looking at a 'plastic tax'....this will be introduced under the guise of the climate change issue, but the money will go towards filling the big hole the loss of our contributions will create.

There are also rumblings in Hungary and ther is a real fear that our departure will cause the whole house of cards to tumble.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There are also rumblings in Hungary and ther is a real fear that our departure will cause the whole house of cards to tumble.

One lives in hope. As to the carry on with VdL & Barmier, Boris should be telling them to wind their necks in, we're doing the running on this one & it's time the eu-rinal danced to our tune ...... and if it doesn't suit, well they can just do one as we go off & do our own thing & we'll see their trade deals through WTO.

[cashman]

if we are not free by end of december,then it should ok NO DEAL. but i doubt if thats what will happen

[DaveinGermany]

Well the first step is end of the month, Jan 31st 2020. Get that cleared properly & then see how Boris & his team pan out.

[DaveinGermany]

Well the first step is end of the month, Jan 31st 2020. Get that cleared properly & then see how Boris & his team pan out.

Let this be a lesson to all you folks out there, while viewing multiple sites & drnking Beer make sure you've closed down your last page on a community site, guess who didn't, saw the entry & hit post!

[Jimmy Clitheroe]

One thing being hidden by a few smokescreens is the desire of Merkel to make German holocaust deniers laws EU wide. I always thought it better to let the absurd arguments (like the Flat Earth society etc) be judged on their own merits as most people are capable of making their own minds up on such issues. Banning and criminalising people and their thoughts or ideas for having a different view to yours or the accepted norm is nothing short of tyranny. It begs the question of who will decide which groups or thoughts will be deemed illegal - an EU commission (no doubt directed by Fuhrer Merkel)?


https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/1...ocaust-denial/

[Exile on Spencer St]

[QUOTE=Jimmy Clitheroe;1235680]One thing being hidden by a few smokescreens is the desire of Merkel to make German holocaust deniers laws EU wide...Banning and criminalising people and their thoughts or ideas for having a different view to yours or the accepted norm is nothing short of tyranny. It begs the question of who will decide which groups or thoughts will be deemed illegal - an EU commission (no doubt directed by Fuhrer Merkel)?

This is how all dictatorships operate. They start out by ‘banning’ things or thoughts that no-one should argue for in order to establish their right to ban things. Then they move on to ban more and more things, ideas, and principles.
They’ll be ‘banning’ any criticism of the EU soon enough.

[cashman]

[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1235698]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Clitheroe

One thing being hidden by a few smokescreens is the desire of Merkel to make German holocaust deniers laws EU wide...Banning and criminalising people and their thoughts or ideas for having a different view to yours or the accepted norm is nothing short of tyranny. It begs the question of who will decide which groups or thoughts will be deemed illegal - an EU commission (no doubt directed by Fuhrer Merkel)?

This is how all dictatorships operate. They start out by ‘banning’ things or thoughts that no-one should argue for in order to establish their right to ban things. Then they move on to ban more and more things, ideas, and principles.
They’ll be ‘banning’ any criticism of the EU soon enough.

is that not how Hitler started in the 30s?

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

is that not how Hitler started in the 30s?

I deny that Hitler ever existed, in fact I deny that there was a world war from 1939 to 1945 millions did not die everyone had a really great time AND Germany couldn't have been involved because the German people spent that time in Spain putting towels on sun loungers.

[Jimmy Clitheroe]

Originally Posted by Less

I deny that Hitler ever existed, in fact I deny that there was a world war from 1939 to 1945 millions did not die everyone had a really great time AND Germany couldn't have been involved because the German people spent that time in Spain putting towels on sun loungers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_a...locaust_denial


There are quite a few who have been imprisoned across Europe (Germany even sought extradition of someone from the UK) for similar comments to that.

Don't they realise the irony of acting in a fascist manner to 'prevent' fascism ?

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Clitheroe

Don't they realise the irony of acting in a fascist manner to 'prevent' fascism ?

No.
You can accuse Germans of many things, but having a sense of irony is not one of them.

https://www.1843magazine.com/dispatc...-german-humour

[Margaret Pilkington]

Lord Greaves(a Lib Dem remainer) says that there are many folk are crying about leaving the EU....he says the cry themselves to sleep and wake up crying....where did he get this information.
Twaddle, utter twaddle.
It is said that the Lords will try to reverse Brexit...out certainly try to thwart it.
They have learned absolutely nothing.