Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[DaveinGermany]

I see this was kept quiet by the "Remainian" MSM lackeys...

Politicians go head-to-head over Brexit - and Leave campaign wins audience vote | UK | News | Daily Express

[Margaret Pilkington]

Just last week David Cameron linked up with a former union leader to go and talk about the EU in Brussels........that Union knob was Sir Brendan Barber. David Cameron wants to get the unions on the side of Remain.....this will mean he has a much better chance of being able to sit on his arsenal....do nothing, and when all the brown stuff hits the fan he can then blame it all on the EU.

I don't know if it is coincidence ...but the proposed union laws to restrict political funds has been watered down too......is this a sweetener to get the unions on the side of those who want us to stay in the EU?

[jack preston]

I think you may find we cannot leave the E.U. on a referendum vote,as Ireland and Finland found out a few years back.So our votes will be worthless,wait and see.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have been saying that since the start of this thread.(I will be very surprised if we actually leave.....I think if we vote to leave we will be sent away to think again and come back with the 'right' answer)
This is just a paper exercise....a sop by the political parties who already know th result.

However, the swell of feeling is growing in other EU member countries too. So who knows if it will start some sort of uprising.

The EU cannot prosper if it does not reform the way it works.

[cashman]

very hard to reform corruption imho

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, that is right...you cannot reform a corrupt organisation. One which has its own ends at the top of the agenda.
That is why we should get out....and if we are sent back to vote again and again, that would be a sign that there is NO democracy in the EU.....and that are wishes are of little interest to those who are at the top of this bloated organisation.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes, that is right...you cannot reform a corrupt organisation. One which has its own ends at the top of the agenda.
That is why we should get out....and if we are sent back to vote again and again, that would be a sign that there is NO democracy in the EU.....and that are wishes are of little interest to those who are at the top of this bloated organisation.

Oh, yes, you can, it can be reformed by an out vote, we leave I suspect the other honest members will follow, we aren't the only ones being ripped off others would prefer a level playing field, one where we all work to one profitable aim for all members not just the members that are better at hiding their corruption and taking advantage of such foolish honesty as we always display.

If it's so important that we should remain it is also important that we remain in an honest EU not this one.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Less, you hit the nail on the head there.
My point was, there is no possibility of reforming a corrupt organisation if that organisation does not WANT to reform...and it is plain from what has been said by those who make the rules, that reform is the last thing they want to do.(they do not want to level the playing field...they are quite happy with it being skewed in their favour)

I also agree that by leaving we are forcing the hand of current member states.
It may cause them to consider their position, and whether they want to keep on being dictated to.

I have not seen or heard any argument which has made me consider voting anything other than OUT.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Just last week David Cameron linked up with a former union leader to go and talk about the EU in Brussels..... Cameron wants to get the unions on the side of Remain.....I don't know if it is coincidence ...but the proposed union laws to restrict political funds has been watered down too......is this a sweetener to get the unions on the side of those who want us to stay in the EU?

No coincidence at all. That's precisely what it's about. It may also explain the total about-face from Corbyn, who has ditched his and (old) Labour's opposition to the EU. But at least we all now know how much it costs to buy Corbyn a new principle.

[cashman]

Just read an interesting post on another site, saying has anyone noticed that since the big guns have been saying remain, that the whole media has virtually stopped reporting on the "Migrant" crisis? I wonder why that would be? it sure as hell aint gone away, and before it was never off the news. the question was, have they been told by government to drop it for the time being? or have the media en-mass got together and decided it, cos they wish to remain? it sure makes yeh wonder.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cashman

have they been told by government to drop it for the time being?

Think that's the Badger right there! After all the kick off in Köln at new years, the GCP & Press were warned off plus local authorities were also given the Gypsies warning & all coming down from the murky world of Merkel!

So if it can happen in Germany ......

[DaveinGermany]

Forgot to add the article

Top German Journalist Admits Live On Air National News Agenda Set By Government - Breitbart

Seem to recall a previous "Führer" applied similar rules.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Think that's the Badger right there! After all the kick off in Köln at new years, the GCP & Press were warned off plus local authorities were also given the Gypsies warning & all coming down from the murky world of Merkel!

So if it can happen in Germany ......

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Forgot to add the article

Top German Journalist Admits Live On Air National News Agenda Set By Government - Breitbart

Seem to recall a previous "Führer" applied similar rules.

And suckers up and down actually believe these scumbags. The E.U. rules and they are too stupid to grasp the fact.

[Barrie Yates]

Something else the Remain are trying to hide from the electorate - it has been stated that the Chilcott Report is completed, however when attempts were made to force publication without further delay the establishment backtracked and then said that it wouldn't be ready for publication until after the EU Referendum. It does make one wonder what damning information it contains.
There is also the German plan to create an EU Army - under their command of course, which would mean our military came under EU control (German & French), rather than being an integral (and major), part of NATO.
Let me out, the lunatics are definitely running the asylum.

[DaveinGermany]

Here we go, a Deutscher (obviously a nazi with comments like these) who'll have the raging lefties frothing!

Former Finance Minister: Migrants Are Drag On Economy