Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Exile on Spencer St]

C'mon, Wynonie, you can't expect many MPs to vote against a well-established £Billion gravy train created exclusively for failed MPs.

That's one of the best reasons to VOTE LEAVE - to give the expenses-grabbing MPs, London bankers, and corporate robber barons a kick up the Arsenal.

Unlike a general election (when, whoever you vote for, the Government always gets in) this referendum is a once in a lifetime opportunity for ordinary people to stick it them.

[Less]

But we won't stick it to them, if (and I hope when) we come out, or if we stay, they will use this referendum to stick it to us...

Either, well you wanted to come out look at the mess you have caused, or well you decided to stay, look at the mess you've caused.

A win, win for politicians a lose, lose for the plebs like you and I. 😢

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Less

When the date of the referendum was announced he was quoted as saying something along the lines of 'I would vote out but I'll be voting to stay in', so it is as Cashy said obviously.

Link here.....Politicians divided over European Union - Accrington Observer

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Less

But we won't stick it to them, if (and I hope when) we come out, or if we stay, they will use this referendum to stick it to us...
A win, win for politicians a lose, lose for the plebs like you and I. ��

Think I get what you mean, Less, and, whilst it's something that may be applicable to general elections, it's a dangerous counsel of despair in this instance. There's EVERY reason to vote this time.

It isn't about the economy. Over a reasonable period, say a decade, there won't be any difference either way, and you're right that politicos will always look to blame anyone but themselves.

But this is one of those very rare opportunities (some generations NEVER get one) for plebs like you and I to tell the IMF, the CBI, the Bank of England, old Etonians, loony London lefties, and big global corporate leeches to go suck it.
I for one am damn well not doing as I'm told by a motley bunch of trough-slobbering, self-serving, greed-merchants.

And I'd encourage every member of what politicians call "the awkward squad" (i.e. the public) to VOTE LEAVE, while we still can.

[Barrie Yates]

Shades of the 1984 Thought Police from the EC this week - no more free speech if they don't like the subject.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Shades of the 1984 Thought Police from the EC this week - no more free speech if they don't like the subject.

That means what? More details please before you frighten the children.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Less

That means what? More details please before you frighten the children.

Think Barrie meant this Less,

EU referendum: Brussels blasted for 'Orwellian' crackdown on online criticism | World | News | Daily Express

And just another point, in the article JCB posted, did anyone look at the poll results? I did & if that's the view of Joe Public in other local rags too .......

Think "Pork boy Dave" & his scaremongers may just be spreading a few more porkies concerning the intentions of the populace to demoralise the Brexiteers.
(It ain't working Porky Boy!)

[Margaret Pilkington]

I looked at the poll and added my vote to it......while it is interesting, I am afraid I do not trust polls. People do not always tell the truth...or they may change their mind as the pencil hover over which option to choose.
I also am not sure if we can trust those who count the votes......I wouldn't put it past any government to indulge in skulduggery of some form or another to get the result that they want.

I am in no doubt though as to the way I will be voting......OUT

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

.....I wouldn't put it past any government to indulge in skulduggery of some form or another to get the result that they want.

Like this?

EU referendum: Fears over Brexit vote integrity as EU citizens 'sent polling cards' | Politics | News | Daily Express

[Margaret Pilkington]

Pretty much son...pretty much.
I do not trust the government or their agents.....and right now I doubt the integrity of the whole vote.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Pretty much son...pretty much.

I enjoyed the link from that page to the thoughts of chairman Allen.
Yes Mr. Sugar I would prefer to be thought of as a mug rather than believe anything you might say.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Lord Sugar says his main market is in EU countries, so this is hardly an unbiased view.
Our trade with the EU has shrunk greatly and is predicted to be something in the region of only 16% by 2020(that is if you believe projections..I prefer the term guesswork) not sure if that projection is based on us staying in the EU or coming out.

Whatever the outcome of the vote, the EU will find some way of trying to humiliate us.

I wish I could find some dry cave somewhere.
Somewhere that I would not have to listen to the babblings of different commentators.....somewhere that did not have newspapers or any kind of media with their experts telling us what they THINK will happen to us.
I am heartily sick of the circus that is the referendum.....and the two letters E and U make me want to run screaming down the road

I think I am ready for that sturdy white linen jacket that fastens down the back and stops you from scratching your bum!

[Less]

Let's face facts, the stay brigade will always be able to assume that out is terrible, I'm for out, BUT I'm frightened of the retribution the EU will put towards us.
If staying in was honestly good, we could vote without threats either from the EU or our own so called knowledgeable 'in the know', as it is, we come out we are shafted, why if it's so good to stay in is no one telling us what WE our country, will gain?
Why aren't the rest of the EU offering us reasons that would make us and them far more profitable so long as we stay together?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

Let's face facts, the stay brigade will always be able to assume that out is terrible, I'm for out, BUT I'm frightened of the retribution the EU will put towards us.
If staying in was honestly good, we could vote without threats either from the EU or our own so called knowledgeable 'in the know', as it is, we come out we are shafted, why if it's so good to stay in is no one telling us what WE our country, will gain?
Why aren't the rest of the EU offering us reasons that would make us and them far more profitable so long as we stay together?

Probably cos that would be telling even more LIES?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Less

Let's face facts, the stay brigade will always be able to assume that out is terrible, I'm for out, BUT I'm frightened of the retribution the EU will put towards us.
If staying in was honestly good, we could vote without threats either from the EU or our own so called knowledgeable 'in the know', as it is, we come out we are shafted, why if it's so good to stay in is no one telling us what WE our country, will gain?
Why aren't the rest of the EU offering us reasons that would make us and them far more profitable so long as we stay together?

I'll tell you why Less, no one from the stay brigade will,

there are 28 members of the EU, not one of them is happy, they, like us, are being **** on, no Government can govern for their people, even the strongest members have problems (and no nation that is a member should be stronger than the other if this experiment is going to work), unless of course it is communism, Oh, perhaps communism is the wrong example of equality? They gave up in '89 and yet look how many equal millionaires the aftermath produced?

We have a chance of equalising Europe not just for us but also for the real Europeans. vote out, maybe there should have been a third choice, vote to stay so long as the EU changes it's ways to make it's system fair for ALL it's members.