Referendum is a load of crap.!! - Page 46

Margaret Pilkington · 21-06-2016, 13:02

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix

Thing is, how is leaving the Eu going to stop them coming? the migrants from Syria and other war torn countries?

All the politicians are saying we "can" make our own laws, control our borders, give more to the NHS but are any of them actually able to do so? are any of them actually saying that if we exit we "will" do this?

Will these alleged savings actually be spent how the exit campaign are saying they should be? Will they heck!

Its already been shown that immigration cannot be stopped because of it, we just get to add more bureaucracy into it. There will still be a massive influx from Syria etc. and we cannot and should not be preventing these people from leaving the place where they are likely to get killed. I know I wouldn't like to be in their shoes.

All the raping, theft etc. that attributed to EU and outside EU immigrants isn't going to suddenly stop just because we leave the EU.

Immigration is not the be all that matters for this vote, our ability to trade with Europe is IMO more important as that affects my finances.

AIUI Margaret, you wouldn't like Australia - its full of convicts, murderers and rapists - we sent them there a few years back

Colleagues have emigrated over there and soon come back.

Still on the fence..

I wouldn't like Australia - that's what you say. Well, you would be so wrong there.
Those people who were transported are long dead.
Australia is a country which values democracy. If you vote to remain then what you are saying is that you really don't mind unelected, unaccountable faceless bureaucrats making the laws by which you will be obliged to abide.

These bureaucrats do everything in secret committees. No minutes of any meetings are ever recorded....the bureaucrats can be bought by the likes of the Goldman Sachs banker(you know those people who were instrumental in the 2008 financial crisis.....that many of us are still paying for today).
If you vote remain you are saying that you don't really mind if your children cannot get into the school of their choice, that there are long waiting times for medical care......you are saying that you really don't mind if your children cannot get on the housing ladder because these incomers bring the wages down.......and that the money they earn does not go into the tax pot because frequently they do not earn enough....but they take out of the tax pot in the credits that are paid to them.....and then they send this money back to their home country to benefit that economy, rather than our economy.
Clearly you do not mind any of these things.

And while the politicians are not saying what would happen to the money which would be freed up by not contributing to the EU. The Fact is that it would be there to do something which could benefit the people of this island. Rather than than paying these bureaucrats £240 per DAY food and drink allowance(that is more than some people have to live on for a week) but that sits well with you.

My father and my grandfather are probably spinning in their graves that they spilt blood for you to even think of handing over our democratic rights to the Germans...because it IS the Germans who run this show.

You don't mind being a satellite state of the EU(Germany)......A county council of the EU.

Those people who are asking you to vote remain are the people who will not be affected by any changes to the fabric of this country...they are the people who pay for their childrens education, they pay for their medical care, they have homes in gated communities or in Necker(Richard Branson), they are the 1% elite that the Eu serves.

The Uk is the third largest contributor to the EU budget,yet our influence on policy, laws etcetera is just under 9%.

Think about these things while you have someone pick the splinters out of your back side won't you!

Margaret Pilkington · 21-06-2016, 13:09

And something which I forgot to mention...our trade with the EU has steadily shrunk...we sell only 33% of our exports inside the EU....which must mean that 66% go to the rest of the world.(I was terrible at maths so feel free to check my calculations and correct them if I am wrong)
We actually buy more from the EU than we sell to them......now don't tell me that they would not still want to sell to us just because we had the temerity to ask for reform(which was not forthcoming regardless of what Mr Cameron says - his deal is about as much good as a single sheet of Bronco toilet paper......the other EU members have openly said they will veto all of those things he thinks he negotiated).

There will be NO reform inside the EU whether we are in or out of it. Out is better.

cashman · 21-06-2016, 13:49

Germany and EU to Legalize Pedophilia and with it, Child Pornography as well! | EUTimes.net This is the best reason to vote leave as far as i'm concerned, whilst it aint been implemented, it just shows what some of you wish to support, these kinda people dont inspire me to allow em to rule.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-06-2016, 14:00

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix

Its already been shown that immigration cannot be stopped because of it, we just get to add more bureaucracy into it. There will still be a massive influx from Syria etc. and we cannot and should not be preventing these people from leaving the place where they are likely to get killed. I know I wouldn't like to be in their shoes.

We currently cannot control immigration from EU countries...this is because the EU makes the rules about this....Free Movement is a cornerstone of the EU. However if we were NOT in the Eu then we would be free to make our own rules about who is entitled to live in this country.

Those 'refugees' from the war torn countries are giverned by the Dublin Agreement. This states that the refugees should be housed in the FIRST non hostile country where land fall is made.
Now these who are currently in the EU countries are not abiding by this agreement, so they are not refugees...they are economic migrants.
They come here with a view to a better life. no -one can argue with this IF IT IS DONE THROUGH THE PROPER LAWFUL CHANNELS.
If these migrants are not happy to abide by these rules ,then you can be sure that they will not abide by the laws of this or any other country.

Immigration is not the be all that matters for this vote, our ability to trade with Europe is IMO more important as that affects my finances.

The majority of the electorate ARE concerned about the level and the type of immigration that has changed the fabric of our society. This was clear at the last general election, but our politicians chose to ignore the concerns of the electorate...those concerns have not gone away, they have been magnified by what is currently going on over the channel.

AIUI Margaret, you wouldn't like Australia - its full of convicts, murderers and rapists - we sent them there a few years back

Colleagues have emigrated over there and soon come back.

Between the years of 1980 and 2006 i probably spent about 5 years travelling in Australia - my husband was brought up there and I have a brother and sister who live there.

Still on the fence..

I hope this clarifies things for you and gets you off the bl**dy fence. My responses are in blue.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-06-2016, 14:03

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Originally Posted by cashman

Germany and EU to Legalize Pedophilia and with it, Child Pornography as well! | EUTimes.net This is the best reason to vote leave as far as i'm concerned, whilst it aint been implemented, it just shows what some of you wish to support, these kinda people dont inspire me to allow em to rule.

That is disgusting news.
I think the world is going to hell in a hand cart.

Exile on Spencer St · 21-06-2016, 18:04

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix

...our ability to trade with Europe is IMO more important as that affects my finances....

Be careful of what you wish for, Rainbox.
We appear to have tied ourselves to only one of two continents whose overall economy is in decline; the other is Antartica.
But remaining is certainly good for your finances if you're a Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley banker, or an MEP. Ask the Greeks.
Get down off the fence and vote leave.

cashman · 21-06-2016, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Be careful of what you wish for, Rainbox.
We appear to have tied ourselves to only one of two continents whose overall economy is in decline; the other is Antartica.
But remaining is certainly good for your finances if you're a Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley banker, or an MEP. Ask the Greeks.
Get down off the fence and vote leave.

Me dad always told me exile-"Yeh can't put sense, were there is none".

DaveinGermany · 21-06-2016, 20:29

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Originally Posted by RainbowSix

Thing is, how is leaving the Eu going to stop them coming? the migrants from Syria and other war torn countries?

It won't stop them, BUT, if we control our own borders we will not have to take in people because we have an obligation to some document passed & decided by other authorities rather than our own government. We stipulate & we decide.

All the politicians are saying we "can" make our own laws, control our borders, give more to the NHS but are any of them actually able to do so? are any of them actually saying that if we exit we "will" do this?

Why not? If we're not sending money away to be divided amongst other european projects & us being given back a pittance (of our own money) then being told how to use it by the eu. Surely that is in our own interest?

Will these alleged savings actually be spent how the exit campaign are saying they should be? Will they heck!

You know this for a fact do you? there may well be some dilution to its uses, but it will be being spent on British interests within our own Country.

Its already been shown that immigration cannot be stopped because of it, we just get to add more bureaucracy into it. There will still be a massive influx from Syria etc. and we cannot and should not be preventing these people from leaving the place where they are likely to get killed. I know I wouldn't like to be in their shoes.

Wrong, immigration can be stopped (Look at the States, Australia & Japan, to name a few. Rigorous entry standards & requirements to attain a controlled visa, that or no entry) Only we don't have anyone in authority with the backbone to make the hard decisions that would enable such a thing to happen. Aye it's right to feel sorry for folk being persecuted & yes they should be helped, but why here? Why not closer to home? Or in a Country with a similar attitude, religion & culture?

Look at a map of the World, then have a quick count of how many countries Abdullah wans-a-handful has crossed to be standing on the beach at Calais, demanding mind, not asking that wicked Christian imperialist Britain let him, his 3 wives & 15 kids in so he can have a decent life! ((Not counting the various Aunts, Uncles, second cousins, goats & camels which will be toddling along at a later date to join them under - Article 8 ECHR & bingo! Who do you think will be paying for this little piece of liberal leftist artifice?

All the raping, theft etc. that attributed to EU and outside EU immigrants isn't going to suddenly stop just because we leave the EU.

No, no, you're quite right! If it's ingrained in their culture (which seems to be the case with the middle eastern & sub Saharan perpetrators) we could maybe bring about a change but only after much trouble, cost & heartache, far easier to deny entrance & save us all the difficulties in the first instance. If this is how they want to behave, crack on! But do it in their own country amongst those of a similar attitude & inclination!

Immigration is not the be all that matters for this vote, our ability to trade with Europe is IMO more important as that affects my finances.

Oh it's about your money is it? Righty oh! How much extra do you think you're paying for say, power saving light bulbs (inflicted on us by the eu) your Leccy (because so much has to be provided by renewables, which by the way receive huge subsidies (guess where from) paid for by UK taxpayers via, you guessed it .... the eu!) Your motor? stinging taxes on fuel & insurance, then there's the ruling about tyre pressure warning systems ( Latest News - European legislation on TPMS imminent ) why? to save the Poley Bears of course & screw the average Joe for some more sheckles for the depleted eu coffers.

AIUI Margaret, you wouldn't like Australia - its full of convicts, murderers and rapists - we sent them there a few years back

There you go, we've done it in the past, so we can do it in the future only we'll have to find somewhere new, let me see ... Jockingland looks a good bet, the Wee Ginger Tom just loves the eu & its ways, so she can have our rejects & all those who'd like to stay trampled under the jackboot of europe!

Colleagues have emigrated over there and soon come back.

Some folk never learn!

Still on the fence..

I really don't know how much more obvious these things need to be made for folk to see the blatantly obvious!

Roll on the 23rd & UK OUT!!!

Margaret Pilkington · 21-06-2016, 21:05

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

I really don't know how much more obvious these things need to be made for folk to see the blatantly obvious!

Roll on the 23rd & UK OUT!!!

Could not have said it better....but you know son.....you can give some people all the information, but they will still listen to those who led them astray in the first place.(and the people they are trusting lied to them in the past.....are fudging the issues now, are making up boggart tales to scare those children)

We were sold the Common Market back in 1975 as a trading partnership.
We did not sign up for a Federation of European States.

The EU want ever closer political ties, they want harmonisation of taxes, they want a European Fighting forces they want a single currency, they do not want people who can think and ask pertinent questions, they want acquiescent people who will do as they are told...and cough up for the privilege....none of this was mentioned back in 75.
We went in for a Ford Escort....paid our dosh and went out to the forecourt to find we had bought a camel.(OK, so my analogy might not hit it for some people, but you get my drift).

Rainbow six is OK with all this because he is only thinking of how his own pocket will be affected.
I have news for you Rainbow Six.....the EU has deferred the setting of the current budget until AFTER the referendum.
Why might that be do you think?
Well might it just be that if they told us what our new contribution is going to be, we would put our X in what they consider to be 'the wrong box'?
So there you go.
I have nothing to gain by telling you this....I am not up for election, I support no political party and I have absolutely no chance of getting a place on the EU gravy train.....no ulterior motives at all.
Just a desire to see democracy and the ability to choose who makes the laws by which I am governed.

cashman · 21-06-2016, 21:40

The fact Rainbow says its about his money, says all yeh need to know about rainbow.

China Doll · 21-06-2016, 21:56

I wouldn't take that report seriously I think someone is trying to take the Micky out of something that's going to effect not just us but the future generations to come, whether we stay or leave, personally I think only an idiot would try to make a sick joke out of pedophile activitys or the referendum

DaveinGermany · 22-06-2016, 05:23

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Originally Posted by China Doll

I wouldn't take that report seriously

Actually Cashy was right, I live in Germany & most certainly wasn't aware of said publication so I checked up on various German sites for confirmation. The BZgA did issue a booklet aimed at parents of young children to encourage certain dubious activities (as healthy & natural????? REALLY???) but after a major outcry the booklet was pulled in July 2007.

cashman · 22-06-2016, 07:09

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Originally Posted by China Doll

I wouldn't take that report seriously I think someone is trying to take the Micky out of something that's going to effect not just us but the future generations to come, whether we stay or leave, personally I think only an idiot would try to make a sick joke out of pedophile activitys or the referendum

Perhaps cos yeh didn't bother to check it out? and if yeh call that a sick joke, then i wonder who the idiot is.

Also my whole point was though i said it hadn,t been implemented, I DO NOT want anyone who thinks along those lines, trying to dictate my grandchildrens future.

cashman · 22-06-2016, 07:22

One Million People Rise Up In France Amid Media Blackout | Your News Wire Also i wonder why this has been suppressed by our media? This week of all times, seems very odd to me.

But the idiots will not take this sort of thing on board.

umpire · 22-06-2016, 07:52

WE'VE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE
IF IT'S THE LAST THING WE EVER DO.
Right now all the Brussels copiers are being loaded up to print the backlog of regulations dreamt up by the clerks, Osbourne's revenge will be a mere fleabite compared to what that lot will have devised.
How about driving on the right, ban on Imperial measures, Xmas shopping in Euros.
The Germans and French have been scheming this for years and will never let it go so whichever way we jump there will be tough times ahead, but let them be our tough times!.

GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY.