Referendum is a load of crap.!! - Page 66

Barrie Yates · 01-07-2016, 09:58

"Westminster does not taken notice of the electorate" - a statement in the Observer this week. No prize for guessing who wrote the column

cashman · 01-07-2016, 10:06

Well our M.P.goes from Bad to Worse in my view, he has never supported the democratically elected leader, and in my view should NEVER again be re-elected,i never thought i would ever say anything like that, but its deserved.

Margaret Pilkington · 01-07-2016, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

"Westminster does not taken notice of the electorate" - a statement in the Observer this week. No prize for guessing who wrote the column

Yes, and the paper goes on to report the doom and gloom of the falling stock market...and the drop in the value of the pound...this despite the fact that the stockmarket and the pound have both got over the post referendum jitters.

Exile on Spencer St · 01-07-2016, 10:19

The media, especially the press, have never let the truth get in the way of bad news.

cashman · 01-07-2016, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

"Westminster does not taken notice of the electorate" - a statement in the Observer this week. No prize for guessing who wrote the column

No and neither does our excuse for a representative.

cashman · 02-07-2016, 13:46

Keep hearing about Gove saying we need a point system like Australia, well sorry NOT for me yeh don't, we need a government simply to stop any benefits for any that aint paid into the system simple as, I have nothing against immigrants, but plenty against FREELOADERS @ those that play the system, if they did that i'm sure only workers would come anyway, that system seemed ok to me when i moved to Spain.

Barrie Yates · 02-07-2016, 14:56

When i went to live in France some 12 years ago there were plenty of jobs - but, to work as a tradesman or professional, no matter what your qualifications, you had to sit the local examinations which were all in French. A friend who qualified as a vet in her native Netherlands, and who had practiced OK in UK was not allowed to practice without qualifying all over again. I am a qualified electrical/electronics engineer, specialised in radar systems - got offered a job on radar systems but very low pay until I passed the French exams. Didn't even consider it, did electrical installation jobs for mainly expats.
If all immigrants had to pass the relevant exams - in English, then it would be a much better system as no benefits of any kind if they weren't in work for a substantial period.

cashman · 02-07-2016, 15:07

It was just the same in Spain barrie, regarding benefits, which to me is the way it should be,

Margaret Pilkington · 02-07-2016, 15:42

Cashy waht about those who are born and bred here nad have never had a job to pay into the system?
I see the welfare system as a safety net, a helping hand......not a way of life.

A points system like they have in Oz would be a start(only let in those with skills that are needed - do not descriminate where they come from if their skills are right)...border controls like they have in Oz would be an even better idea...count them in and count them out...know who you have as visitors or residents in your country.
Our borders have been almost non existent and that is where the real problem lies.

Less · 02-07-2016, 15:52

Count them in AND out? Count them in I can understand, but with the system we have who would be daft enough to leave?😨

cashman · 02-07-2016, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy waht about those who are born and bred here nad have never had a job to pay into the system?
I see the welfare system as a safety net, a helping hand......not a way of life.

A points system like they have in Oz would be a start(only let in those with skills that are needed - do not descriminate where they come from if their skills are right)...border controls like they have in Oz would be an even better idea...count them in and count them out...know who you have as visitors or residents in your country.
Our borders have been almost non existent and that is where the real problem lies.

Those that are born here, surely have a criteria the same as ours to meet?

Eric · 02-07-2016, 17:39

What the hell's this horse manure going on in London? Bunch of yahoos marching with signs like "We Are the 48%". Could have put it: "We Are the Losers"! Seems like it's not only those clowns in Westminster who don't understand what democracy is. Or, in terms easy for the mentally challenged to comprehend: the team that gets the most points, wins. Simple. On CBC, one reporter remarked that the 18-34 demographic didn't have all that great a turn out in the vote. So if they aren't to blame for the loss, who is?

Hey. Here's a plan. Why doesn't Roy Hodgson ask for a rematch against Iceland because his team had an off day, didn't take the Icelanders seriously, and really didn't show up to play.

jack preston · 02-07-2016, 19:03

We voted IN.

jack preston · 02-07-2016, 19:09

True Barry,you won,t get work in France,or Australia .Even to sell items in France you have to have type approval which costs approx. 140,000 euros per item,and as for the health card you might as well not have one,its a joke about free movement and work anywhere as far as the French are concerned.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-07-2016, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Less

Count them in AND out? Count them in I can understand, but with the system we have who would be daft enough to leave?😨

Any visitor to Australia...whether on a tourist or working visa is counted in and counted out........I appreciate what you are saying but if you are on a tourist visa you cannot work.
Maybe once we come out of the Eu that principle could be adopted here....if you do not have the appropriate visa then you cannot work or draw benefits.