Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The problem is that the ideology of the party was changed way back...at the timeTony Blair christenended it New Labour. It became a paler version of conservatism. The changes meant that it no longer represented the ordinary working man and his concerns. They became too good for the working classes. The Labour politicians of that time were career politicians who could not identify with the joiner, the welder, the shelf stacker.
They(in the main) came from privileged backgrounds.
They lost touch with what the electorate needed and worse than that they didn't listen to what the electorate needed. They thought they knew better than us, they treated us as uneducated serfs and peasants, forgetting that many of us had got our degrees at the university of life(and that is a life of hard learning).

I do not think there can be a return to the old Labour Party values. The current MP's all think they are better than the people who elected them...they see themselves as 'elite' and patronise the electorate when they should be representing the views and needs of the people who voted for them.

The Labour Party has made itself un electable and it only has itself to blame

To me even though i destest Blair, he had no choice really but to change it, due to the selfish society THatcher created, imho.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I don't think it was that Vashy. Tony Blair saw himself as a Messiah. He still sees himself as a messiah. Nothing will change him.
Why would he make the party into a pale version of the Conservative party if he hated the vales of that party? That is what he did. He continued in the vein of a pale version of the Tory party.
And daft supporters followed his rallying cries, believing every word that dropped off his tongue. The tide turned when he took us into,what was,an illegal conflict( though it wasn't deemed such by the judiciary of the time).
The man is a war criminal and should be in the dock for his dirty dealings.
I have such a loathing for what that man did to this country. If you can imagine how you feel about Margaret Thatcher and then magnify it a million times you might be somewhere near.

[cashman]

I have always been convinced it was that Margaret, i agree Blair saw himself as some sort of superior being though, have to say i detest him as much as you.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Not possible Cashy.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Sorry about changing your name in post 1187 Cashy...fat fingers and dim lamps.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Not possible Cashy.

I wouldn't put money on that if i were you Margaret,

[Margaret Pilkington]

Ok...I won't

[Exile on Spencer St]

Will be having a drink tonight!
Who'd have thought it would ever happen?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well, not me for one.
Donald Tusk says he is missig us.
If that were true then maybe there would have been fewer of the threats from J.C.Junker telling us that 'the EU would make us pay...that they would make us sorry'

Good riddance to the lot of them.
Now let's roll up our collective sleeves and get the hard work done to make them eat their words.

Oh, and mine's a strong tea with two sugars.

[Barrie Yates]

I see our man managed to get on TV at PM Question Time today. He didn't say anything but was sat behind one who did speak - can't understand why he appeared to have a smirk on his face?

[KiTChener]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

I see our man managed to get on TV at PM Question Time today. He didn't say anything but was sat behind one who did speak - can't understand why he appeared to have a smirk on his face?

Think that's his default expression, never seen him otherwise!

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Will be having a drink tonight!
Who'd have thought it would ever happen?

Been a long time coming that's for sure. Now we need to hope our politicoes doing the negotiating stay the course & bang through what's good for the UK & not bother to much about what the EU wants!

[cashman]

In fairness she said all the right things, but aint counting me chickens on a Tory word.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I don't think it was that Vashy. Tony Blair saw himself as a Messiah. He still sees himself as a messiah. Nothing will change him.
Why would he make the party into a pale version of the Conservative party if he hated the vales of that party? That is what he did. He continued in the vein of a pale version of the Tory party.
And daft supporters followed his rallying cries, believing every word that dropped off his tongue. The tide turned when he took us into,what was,an illegal conflict( though it wasn't deemed such by the judiciary of the time).
The man is a war criminal and should be in the dock for his dirty dealings.
I have such a loathing for what that man did to this country. If you can imagine how you feel about Margaret Thatcher and then magnify it a million times you might be somewhere near.

Am I correct in thinking that a British P.M. can't be a Catholic?

and am I also correct in thinking that once Blair had finished being P.M. he changed his religion to Catholicism?

Obviously if so, his ambition comes well before any religious ideals he may have?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...2/uk.religion1

Is that a gain for correct thinking Catholics or something they shake their head at in shame?

[Margaret Pilkington]

There are no rules which prohibit the prime minister from being a Catholic.
Tony Blair was a closet Catholic and 'came out' after he left office...though I am not sure why he did this.(it is reported that he converted once he had left office, but he wasn't know for his truthfulness was he?)