Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Margaret Pilkington]

I'll drink to that Retlaw.
That is just my kind of deal.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Michel Barnier is asking that any EU migrant who stays in the U.K. after Brexit be entitled to claim child benefit for children NOT resident here....and to be allowed to send this money home.

only goes to show what the EU club really is. need to get out as quickly as we can before other things crop up. for me they need us a lot more than we need them.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Did we ever get reparations for the destruction wrought on this country in WW2? Seem to recall we were left to repay debts to the USA for several decades, whilst at least one half of Germany got its entire industrial base rebuilt by the same country.
And I don't imagine we submitted any invoices for helping to liberate Belgium, Holland, Denmark, and France.
Maybe we could run up a few £Billion in you-owe-us and stick 'em on the table?

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Did we ever get reparations for the destruction wrought on this country in WW2? Seem to recall we were left to repay debts to the USA for several decades, whilst at least one half of Germany got its entire industrial base rebuilt by the same country.

don,t think it was anything to do with money after the war. more like a fear of communism spreading further west that caused the industrial german base being brought back to life. probebly the same reason the yanks ploughed money into japan with a chinese threat nearby.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by monkey hanger

don,t think it was anything to do with money after the war. more like a fear of communism spreading further west that caused the industrial german base being brought back to life. probebly the same reason the yanks ploughed money into japan with a chinese threat nearby.

You are correct in that the Allies wanted to create a buffer zone against the USSR. The US did effectively the same with Japan but that was to stop the USSR again, they had designs and in fact USSR did not declare war on Japan until quite late in the war. The communists didn't complete the takeover of China until after the surrender of Japan and Germany.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Yes, most of us know why the US rebuilt their former enemies.
But the point was that the UK was left bankrupt in 1945, having spent its last shilling on helping to defend Europe (and elsewhere).
Unlike these modern-day, money-grubbing, expenses-fiddling Eurocrats, the U.K. didn't demand billions from our continental 'partners' for that expensive episode.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Yes, most of us know why the US rebuilt their former enemies.
But the point was that the UK was left bankrupt in 1945, having spent its last shilling on helping to defend Europe (and elsewhere).
Unlike these modern-day, money-grubbing, expenses-fiddling Eurocrats, the U.K. didn't demand billions from our continental 'partners' for that expensive episode.

Of course what is often forgotten is that America wrote off the lend lease debts, so that they could lend us money to rebuild, that was the loan we spent many years paying off.
Had they (the Americans) been greedy they could have claimed us as one of their colonies because we were worse than skint and they owned everything.

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

I wonder how many of them are already gettin benefits for their children in their home country as well. Good on you David Davies stick to you guns. Best brexit would be to chuck a fiver ont table and say thats it were out as from now, just remember 1918 & 1945, you met your match then, you can meet it again if you want.

Just had more thoughts on this Brexit do after reading today paper, they want this and won't budge on that, best thing we can do it treat the EU like the brothel it is, zip thi flies up chuck a few quid ont table, an tell um thas ed better else where. They've bin doing it us for years

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have no experience of brothels, but it was my impression that in such establishments you got your hearts desire..no matter how unsavoury that might be.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Did we ever get reparations for the destruction wrought on this country in WW2?:

Read in one of the daily papers that the Polish government is threatening to send a bill for WW2 reparations to Frau Merkel.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I also read in one of the papers yesterday that there was rioting in Poland over the Warning the Eu has doled out about their constitution...and the way the judicial system works.
They are also infuriated about being told to take more of the refugees/migrants

I can't find the article that i read yesterday, but this link gives the gist of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-court-changes.

It really is time that the EU sat up and took notice of the unrest among its' members.

Italy is threatening to give thousands of incomers temporary visas which would mean that these men(they are mostly men) would have the right to travel freely in the Schengen Zone.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I also read in one of the papers yesterday that there was rioting in Poland over the Warning the Eu has doled out about their constitution...and the way the judicial system works.
They are also infuriated about being told to take more of the refugees/migrants

I can't find the article that i read yesterday, but this link gives the gist of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-court-changes.

It really is time that the EU sat up and took notice of the unrest among its' members.

Italy is threatening to give thousands of incomers temporary visas which would mean that these men(they are mostly men) would have the right to travel freely in the Schengen Zone.

So, maybe we should have a new referendum?

One that includes all the members of the E.U. that are upset with how the main powers ignore their problems, such as legal/illegal immigration, not being allowed to act in ones own interest (unless you are a French or German official), well, you know, the sort of stuff most sane folk have discussed on here over the past 5 years.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

So, maybe we should have a new referendum?

One that includes all the members of the E.U. that are upset with how the main powers ignore their problems, such as legal/illegal immigration, not being allowed to act in ones own interest (unless you are a French or German official), well, you know, the sort of stuff most sane folk have discussed on here over the past 5 years.

Not we- The rest of the E.U. were out the damn thing by vote.

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

Not we- The rest of the E.U. were out the damn thing by vote.

Most things you say make immediate sense, the above I just don't understand????

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

Most things you say make immediate sense, the above I just don't understand????

We have no need at all for one in my view out and stopping out as far as i'm concerned, the rest can make their own minds up about a corrupt, bullying organization,