Referendum is a load of crap.!!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Well, there is one article in that newspaper that suggests we will soon be having another referendum...I think his name is Bogdanor.
I will look for a link.

[Margaret Pilkington]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lock-life-raft

There you go!

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lock-life-raft

There you go!

So, from the link do we take it that if brexit is going to be difficult we should meekly look for a reason to stay?

Perhaps have another referendum, capitulate, give in, allow others to walk all over us?

Ye Gods! my Father must be spinning faster than a formula 1's turbo, he and others didn't bring us up to give in just because life get's a little difficult, NOW, is the time for us all to get behind the facts, the vote is in, we are out and let's all make sure that we are allowed by our democratic decision to leave when we decide to leave, If Europe wants to go it alone, without our guidance, why should we have any regrets?

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lock-life-raft

There you go!

C'mon, Margaret!
The Grauniad?
That's just the print version of the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes and I know.
It is not something I actually read regularly, but when looking for the link about the EU meddling in Polands affairs...I spotted that gem.(I could not locate the link to the original story i had read in some other paper...I read a very wide variety of online news articles)
I have to say nothing causes my Hackles to rise faster than articles in this apology for a newspaper.
I read articles with my teeth gritted and steam coming out of my ears(not a pretty sight)

[DaveinGermany]

As it's a Sunday most of my day is spent perusing the tabloids & broadsheets, at some point today I read an article about UK putting forward a sum of £36 Bn to advance "Divorce talks", yet x hours later Brexiteer John Redwood is pretty much saying it' a load of owd cobblers! Personally I'm in agreement with the lad, for my thinking the eu should be paying us especially since we've pretty much funded quite a large chunk to this dictatorial, cronyist corrupt organisation.

Brexit news - 'Completely ridiculous' Tory MP shreds £36bn divorce bill | UK | News | Express.co.uk

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

for my thinking the eu should be paying us especially since we've pretty much funded quite a large chunk to this dictatorial, cronyist corrupt organisation.

Couldn't agree more, unfortunately, because it is a dictatorial, cronyist corrupt organisation, it is only natural that they would expect us to bankrupt ourselves trying to get away from them.

[DaveinGermany]

as one large US Brewer stated "True"




And if the eu had been anything like this young lady I'm pretty sure we'd not be talking divorce settlements right now! Yeah, yeah I know, I'm pretty shallow really.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Let's not pay them a sous, a red cent, a penny.
What are they going to do about it....Chuck us out?
Well good...it will save all the argy bargy going on right now.
This figure of 36 billion is supposed to be what we would pay over a four year period.

[hilleluk]

Theresa May should come onto the TV and make a statement, and tell us exactly what is going on. All these rumours have to stop. Hammond and Gove are causing the most problems, not forgetting Labour, Lib Dems, The menacing SNP, and the one Green.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Brexit news - Gina Miller lashes Brexit 'lies' and backs 'punishment' for MP's | UK | News | Express.co.uk

Another of the bitter remoaners...wanting those she feels misrepresented Brexit to be punished.
The ones who should really be punished are the lot that sold us down the river by telling the electorate it was 'a trading arrangement'. No such thing.
It has taken the politicians four decades to listen to the will of the people.

Does Gina Miller think that we swallowed whole, the pap that was fed to us prior to the vote.
These were politicians we are talking about. Their stock in trade is obfuscation, outright lies and on a good day half truths
I think those who actually went and voted were just glad to have the opportunity to do so...and yes, of course the sensible amongst us knew that it was never going to easy.
But, is it right NOT to try something because it might be a bit tough?
Not in my book it isn't.
When you look at the way that the mandarins in the EU have talked/treated us since the vote...you would have to have spit for brains to want to stay.

The sooner we ditch this self serving,corrupt, undemocratic organisation the better.
I have a bottle of vintage Dom Perignon(it was gifted to me) that will be used to toast our exit...if and when that day comes.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Brexit news - Gina Miller lashes Brexit 'lies' and backs 'punishment' for MP's | UK | News | Express.co.uk

Another of the bitter remoaners...wanting those she feels misrepresented Brexit to be punished.

Not a problem with the suggestion, just as long as it covers all politicoes whichever side of the fence they were, I seem to recall the cleglet & tim terribly dim denying the eu wanted its own military, or further unified integration for a start, that should give the despicable witch something to chew over.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, and at the end of the article this woman does make the point that lies were told by both sides....but she notes that 'fear' was used as a lever to get votes...well, correct me if I am wrong but it seemed to me those who wanted to remain were the ones who were spreading doom and an Armageddon scenario if we ditched the EU.
That was HER side.

[cashman]

Gina Miller is nowt but an arrogant self serving bitch simple as.

[monkey hanger]

The sooner we ditch this self serving,corrupt, undemocratic organisation the better.
I have a bottle of vintage Dom Perignon(it was gifted to me) that will be used to toast our exit...if and when that day comes.[/QUOTE]

hope you will be able to drink your bottle margaret but i,ve always had this fear that i,ll believe we,ve left when it actually happens. don,t trust politicians even those who say they want out to deliver us who can,t wait to get out our wishes. think another reforendum will come up after all the talks have finalised and the remoaners will get their way with the extra votes the brain washed younger generation will use.