Respect - Page 5

shakermaker · 17-01-2006, 11:54

Some sort of army type discipline for young people is a good idea; bootcamps and that sort of thing. But National Service? Aren't we as a nation supposed to be supporting democracy in the free world instead of forcing our young people to join the forces?Carry on like that we'll have a Uganda situation with 14 year old equipped with AK-47's. Is that really a great idea?

lettie · 17-01-2006, 12:08

I'm not advocating National Service at the age of 14, I'm thinking 18 for those who have not gone into full time university education. 14 year olds with AK's normally belong to rebel groups and not the army.

shakermaker · 17-01-2006, 12:12

Sorry I obviously didn't read your posts properly. Yes I think National Service for 18+ would be a great idea. Obviously prison just doesnt work at all - the deterrence there is practically non-existant now.

SPUGGIE J · 17-01-2006, 12:34

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Sorry I obviously didn't read your posts properly. Yes I think National Service for 18+ would be a great idea. Obviously prison just doesnt work at all - the deterrence there is practically non-existant now.

Like most things ment to punish today it has become a badge of honour among the teens (no offence intended shaker) and young adults. Mind you most proberly couldnt hack military life as it means they have to get out of bed at a fixed time day in day out and the same for going to bed. It will drive some stir crazy and into tears claiming they are being bullied. It can work though as a friend of mine was going of the rails but joined up at the last chance saloon and after 6 months he is a totally different person with respect for all. He enjoyed it so much he has been in 12 years now and aint coming out in a hurry.

SPUGGIE J · 17-01-2006, 12:34

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Sorry I obviously didn't read your posts properly. Yes I think National Service for 18+ would be a great idea. Obviously prison just doesnt work at all - the deterrence there is practically non-existant now.

Like most things ment to punish today it has become a badge of honour among the teens (no offence intended shaker) and young adults. Mind you most proberly couldnt hack military life as it means they have to get out of bed at a fixed time day in day out and the same for going to bed. It will drive some stir crazy and into tears claiming they are being bullied. It can work though as a friend of mine was going of the rails but joined up at the last chance saloon and after 6 months he is a totally different person with respect for all. He enjoyed it so much he has been in 12 years now and aint coming out in a hurry.

shakermaker · 17-01-2006, 12:39

Completely agree with you.
Most teens who end up in that kind of lifestyle do see prison as an easy fix for petty crimes and I know a few who have been in and out of prison, they all say it really is the easy life - you can just stay in bed all day if you want or head down to the gym! all you have to do is not stab someone!
Military service would do these kind of people a whole lot of good - it gives them something to aim for, somewhere where they are needed - a characteristic that has been denied of them by the academics.

SPUGGIE J · 17-01-2006, 15:34

CSM whose attitude is as hard as his boots which might make contact with their behinds and there aint a gang of pals to help him overcome the CSM.

Lampman · 17-01-2006, 16:15

As I wrote earlier ,I am in agreement with some type of National Service,though it will not happen.We would be accused of infringing their inaliable rights;in dictating how they have to behave on a day to day basis.
When I first began working,one of the blokes there was an ex RSM (ww2 vintage.)He didn't need to demand respect one look from him was enough! Respect is an alien concept to many young people they have never been taught the talent.

garinda · 17-01-2006, 16:55

We mustn't forget that it isn't just some of the young people who have grown to show a lack of respect. We already have had a very interesting thread on here about grumpy old people who show no one any respect, regardless of age. Pushing in at the Post Office, and telling everyone off who dares to repremand them being just one example.

Respect should be earned, not taken as a right just because someone has lived longer than anyone else.

shakermaker · 17-01-2006, 17:02

completely agree garinda

Lampman · 17-01-2006, 17:43

Oh yes we have all met the older delinquent;who lacks all manners or respect for others.This makes me worry,for they were brought up in an age that did teach respect...... What of the wastrels in circulation nowadays?
Will they like the born again Christian,belatedly see the light?

garinda · 17-01-2006, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Lampman

Oh yes we have all met the older delinquent;who lacks all manners or respect for others.This makes me worry,for they were brought up in an age that did teach respect...... What of the wastrels in circulation nowadays?
Will they like the born again Christian,belatedly see the light?

That's why I fear it just isn't the liberalisation of the sixties that is to blame. Like I said earlier, we as a nation seemed to have changed.

Self first and ****** everyone else, so to speak.

SPUGGIE J · 17-01-2006, 17:56

Though I detest violence unless absolutely nessesery maybe they could be lined up and all floged with a cat o nine tales either that or when they are in the cells the police can give them a mataress beating. Boy they hurt and there are no marks.

Madhatter · 17-01-2006, 21:08

I agree with that rindy, thats the role reversal you see, your at a stalemate now, both are demanding respect, but reluctant to give it because the other won't give it and both think they desserve it. There should be a mutual respect but it's not been made clear who's in charge so there's also a constant fight for control, one saying do it, the other saying shan't, try and make me. As I've said, discipline should be in schools and at home, theres no popint blaming parents and giving parenting classes if they go to school and can do as they please, and have it reinforced by contradicting polocies that they're entitled to do so.
I'm 34 and it's a far cry from when i was at school, so it may have been started back then, may not have but ut's gone drastically tits up in the some time during the last 20 years.

Madhatter · 17-01-2006, 21:10

And as you say, it's not just youngsters that have got the impression that self self self is acceptable behavior, some of the oldies tink they desserve respect but give NON to others.