Respect

Lampman · 11-01-2006, 13:38

Now that Tony Blair has highlighted the anti social behavior problems that plague our lives.I would like to pose a question to other webbers:Has the problem solely arisen because youngsters no longer recognise what is unacceptable behavior?
Is this due to the fact that they have never been taught right from wrong at an early stage of developement?
Personally I think we are now reaping the rewards of the 60's and 70's when many Universities were breeding left wing tree huggers,who later went into Schools and other youth orientated employment and spread the word."Resist the norm,rebel,let it all hang out!"
Or have I just got older and (hopefully)wiser?

grannyclaret · 11-01-2006, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Lampman

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Personally I think we are now reaping the rewards of the 60's and 70's when many Universities were breeding left wing tree huggers,who later went into Schools and other youth orientated employment and spread the word."Resist the norm,rebel,let it all hang out!"
Or have I just got older and (hopefully)wiser?

well if you have so have i...

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2006, 14:14

I don't think you can 'bolt on' respect. Tony Blair is just mouthing off about a problem which we all face.....but which society as a whole has created.
It was created by people who thought that they could 'have it all.....without any strings'

I have said in other posts many times that everyone knows their rights.... but no-one wants to take responsibility for the things they do in life. Every action we take has consequences.......and I think that society has led people to believe that consequence relate to other people and not to them.

Increasingly the state tries to take control of what we do and is now trying to tell us what we should think (PC brigade?).......now Teflon Tony is spouting off about how parents should be controlling their children....and if they aren't controlling them to his/schools liking then he will MAKE them have parenting lessons.....how long will it be before children are removed from parents who are deemed to be making a bad job of parenting? I find the latest moves by the government very Orwellian.....or am I just being cynical or perhaps paranoid?

garinda · 11-01-2006, 15:00

Well I am a child of the liberal sixties and seventies, and I know right from wrong.

Without wishing to score political points, because I honestly believe it, I blame Thatcherism.

The whole ethos of caring for others ended at this time. People were encouraged to expect, and to get what they wanted, be it owning their own homes, share ownership, and material wealth of every kind.

I think a fundamental changed happened in the British psyche. Our ability as a nation to feel charitable towards others first, rather than ourselves ended, and the next generation are even more consumed with expecting everything handed to them on a plate.

Doug · 11-01-2006, 15:51

Rindy………………..That’s complete and utter Vollocks.

This was a problem long before Thatcher and I do believe that it stems from the liberal softly, softly Human Rights brigade of the 60s & 70s.

These thugs and that is all they are, have lost there fear. They know that even when caught and prosecuted they’ll almost always get off lightly.

If you want to resolve this situation and re impose a regime of respect for others, property and life then you will have to turn the clock back and return to a time when punishment mattered. That will have to include the right of parents to chastise their children and enforced discipline in our schools, work places and prisons.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2006, 15:56

I think it is impossible to go back to a regime where punishment fitted the crime......there are too many people who think that criminals are the victims of their deprived upbringing.

shakermaker · 11-01-2006, 16:00

can i just point out that it is not only 'youngsters' who receive these stupid pointless ASBO's; it's a whole lot of people aged 50+!

meaning that a lot of these people ARE the 'treehuggers' of the 60's!

it can only be a good thing, maaaaaan

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2006, 16:04

The breakdown of extended families had something to do with relaxed attitudes towards respect. I know that when I was growing up we were taught to respect our elders......Grandparents were given the right to chastise children......and grandparents were often the carers of shildren while the parents went out to work...so what could be considered Old fashioned values were instilled into the children without them realising.

The breakdown of marriage also must have contributed........my mother would threaten us with the phrase 'wait 'til your father gets home' and it would strike fear into our hearts. My father only had to look at us if we had done something wrong and you knew you were for it. Not that my father was feared.....on the contrary, he was much loved for setting boundaries.

We had a local bobby who everyone knew because he lived in the community.......he would give you a clip round the ear if he caught you throwing stones or doing some other mischief....anything worse and he would haul you in front of your parents and you would get a 'seat warming'.

I'm sure that lives were easier then......but I am afraid that there is no going back.

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2006, 16:07

Shaker... you are right of course..... but I am sure ther are far more teens and young adults who are subject to the pointless ASBO's.......maybe the adults who are subject to the ASBO's are the grandparents of the teenagers who have ASBO's slapped on them.

garinda · 11-01-2006, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The breakdown of extended families had something to do with relaxed attitudes towards respect. I know that when I was growing up we were taught to respect our elders......Grandparents were given the right to chastise children......and grandparents were often the carers of shildren while the parents went out to work...so what could be considered Old fashioned values were instilled into the children without them realisie.

I'm sorry you disagree with me so wrongly Doug. Of course I'm not blaming Mrs Thatcher per se, after all we as a country elected her government. I do however think that our selfish attitude started in the eighties, and not the liberal sixties.

We became a nation that put self first, and consumerism as our God paramount. We now have a whole generation who expects as a right, all the latest designer goods they want, be it clothes or the latest expensive gadgets. People won't scrimp and save to get what they want like they used to, they expect what they think of as a good quality of life now.

I also agree with Margaret about the breakdown of family life is a major contibution to the problem.

Trouble with marriage- easy to get divorced, and excahange like you would a faulty DVD player.

Granny getting old? Instead of her living with her family, and using her life skills, easier to stick her in a home.

All attitudes I think came to prominence in the 80's, not the 60's, in my view.

SPUGGIE J · 11-01-2006, 18:04

Everyone has had a part to play in this mess but very few will hold up their hand and say that got it wrong. Its a collective responsibility that requires a colective response. If a fraction of the parties involved co-operated me might get someware. Materialism easy divorce softly softly approach even no blame culture is not helping. A huge boot up the dumpie to society as a whole is required sooner than later. The young copy their parents and idols who at that age did the same so our societies fabric is changing to the point of us being labeled as stereotypical of what we have become.

Doug · 11-01-2006, 18:08

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Everyone has had a part to play in this mess but very few will hold up their hand and say that got it wrong. Its a collective responsibility that requires a colective response. If a fraction of the parties involved co-operated me might get someware. Materialism easy divorce softly softly approach even no blame culture is not helping. A huge boot up the dumpie to society as a whole is required sooner than later. The young copy their parents and idols who at that age did the same so our societies fabric is changing to the point of us being labeled as stereotypical of what we have become.

Well said that Man................:engsmil:

grannyclaret · 11-01-2006, 21:27

I MUST BE A BAD PERSON...because i truely believe
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you should respect other people...
the world DOES NOT owe you a living ..
you SHOULD smack naughty children....
you SHOULD praise good children ...
hanging should be brought back....
teachers should be able to be in control ....
:engsmil: OH I COULD GO ON FOREVER..................:engsmil:

Margaret Pilkington · 11-01-2006, 21:43

Life should mean life........children should be scared of bobbies......we should be able to say what we think without someone from the PC brigade breathing down our necks....parents should be responsible for their offspring......Politicians should tell the truth...even if it is unpalatable......they should bring back National Service and both boys and girls should have to spend 2 years in the forces learning a trade......like you granny........I could go on and on. We must both be singing from the same hymn sheet and in the same church too.

shakermaker · 11-01-2006, 21:46

hmmm how can children feel safe when they are they are scared of the very people supposed to be protecting them.