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[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Oops! seems like Andrew has "outed" you Wynonie.

He didn't need to...I've already said which party I'm a member of - and it ain't UKIP!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Yep, those mushrooms can be quite mindbending. Actually, I would've thought UKIP was made for you. They don't want a federal Europe (unlike your party, which does - that's why the boy David is um-ing and ah-ing about the referendum on the European Constitution) and the rest of their policies are pretty Tory-ish. Seems like just your cup of tea!

The Conservatives don't support a federal Europe. They've recently left the EPP grouping in Europe and formed their own as to not be grouping with people who want a further integrated federal Europe. Doesn't go far enough for me though. I'll be interested to see what Cameron does if the Libson Treaty gets ratified. Problem with UKIP is it's an angry pressure group. Last year when I was listening to Mr Farage he was shouting about how the Conservatives would not leave the EPP and form their own grouping and was willing to make bets with people on the matter (and someone did make a bet, I bet they're pleased now!). Currently they're saying Cameron will do nothing if Libson passes - I'm happy to wait and see when the time comes. I think announcing his policy on what he'll do if Lisbon passes now, would be like a surrender to the federalists as if they'd already won on Lisbon.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by andrewb

The Conservatives don't support a federal Europe. They've recently left the EPP grouping in Europe and formed their own as to not be grouping with people who want a further integrated federal Europe.

..stop making me laugh..you lot had no choice but to "leave" your EPP group..you were sussed out as useless with nothing to contribute and kicked into the gutter.
You can huff and puff about EU expansion, border laws, and a central European Parliment but the Tories are the ones who fought hard to enter the EU and are the party that agreed to it all in 1992!

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I don't have unique interpretation of Tory policy Wynonie, is just that I look at things as they are, not through blue tinted glasses. We have had a Labour government for over twelve years, in its early days our local politicians were singing New Labour from the roof tops, yet now they are as popular as a fart in a space suit they don't want to know. We recently had an answer from labour activist saying he was only interested in local issues, but in Labour's rush to power in the 90s every Labour leaflet at local elections said nothing about local issues but were full of national party interests, endorsed by Tony Blair and Greg, now they approach their Westminster counter parts (who incidentally are still members of the same party, but not as you'd notice) with total disdain, threatening them like lepers, unclean, unclean

I think I'm the Labour activist you're referring too. There are four Councillors who post regular on Accy Web, all Labour. What I said was in my opinion people want to know what we as Councillors are doing to improve this Borough.

On the national issue, I will defend the record of this Labour Government with anyone. And come the General Election I will be doing just that on the door step.

I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by andrewb

I think announcing his policy on what he'll do if Lisbon passes now, would be like a surrender to the federalists as if they'd already won on Lisbon.

You know as well as I do that the European Constitution will be passed - the Irish will be made to vote until they "get it right". The boy David's prevaricating because he's preparing the ground for a cop-out on his commitment to a referendum. Apart from that, it may have escaped your attention, but we're in a federal Europe already - the majority of our laws are made in Brussels. And one of the consequences of being in a federal Europe is that we now have no borders in the EU - that's why we're having to let in people who have no intention of working here, but just want to beg, steal and milk the benefits system.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

At least, get the name right - it's called the European Union, because that's what it is. Care to expand on why you think it's so beneficial for this country?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

There are four Councillors who post regular on Accy Web, all Labour.

...and we're very happy to have you. Whether it's wearing your political hat, or not. At least we do get to hear what one side thinks.

For balance, sadly we have only one Conservative councillor willing to come on here.

Cllr. Britcliffe contributed two posts, one oddly written in the third person.

Hardly an even blance, even if we do have Pinky and Perky, giving their unoffical input.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

...even if we do have Pinky and Perky

No offence, by the way.

I couldn't remember if Pinky and Perky had someone working the strings, or whether they had a couple of hands up 'em.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

...and we're very happy to have you. Whether it's wearing your political hat, or not. At least we do get to hear what one side thinks.

For balance, sadly we have only one Conservative councillor willing to come on here.

Cllr. Britcliffe contributed two posts, one oddly written in the third person.

Hardly an even blance, even if we do have Pinky and Perky, giving their unoffical input.

Its indicative that Councillor Dawson had to original sign on to Accrington Web under the name Robert Owen, but chose to change to his real name when he was rumbled, as I've said before why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders, who haven't the bottle to make an appointment and tell him their views face to face. Accy Web has never influenced any election in Hyndburn and never will because the majority of users don't even vote here or quite frankly don't give a toss about politics. It just happens that I do vote at every election here in Hyndburn and is my right to have a say whether you like it or not, as some one who says they have no political affiliations, I'll have a small wage that you've never voted or will ever vote Tory, like I've said before if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, it usually is a duck.

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Its indicative that Councillor Dawson had to original sign on to Accrington Web under the name Robert Owen, but chose to change to his real name when he was rumbled, as I've said before why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders, who haven't the bottle to make an appointment and tell him their views face to face. Accy Web has never influenced any election in Hyndburn and never will because the majority of users don't even vote here or quite frankly don't give a toss about politics. It just happens that I do vote at every election here in Hyndburn and is my right to have a say whether you like it or not, as some one who says they have no political affiliations, I'll have a small wage that you've never voted or will ever vote Tory, like I've said before if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, it usually is a duck.

Why should Peter Britcliffe come on Accy Web? I'll give you a reason, He's the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council, and he gets well paid for being the leader.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

...why should Britcliffe come on this website to be abused by faceless wonders

But that makes no sense at all.

He has joined, and made two posts this year, one of which was oddly written in the third person.

You can't have it both ways.

Either he uses the medium that is Accy Web, to say what he wants, or he doesn't, and he has...twice.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

I'm a Labour Party member and proud of it. I also support Britain's membership of the European Community.

I see you still haven't answered my question about why EU membership is so beneficial to this country. Still, I suppose you're still trying to think of a reason!

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I see you still haven't answered my question about why EU membership is so beneficial to this country. Still, I suppose you're still trying to think of a reason!

You'll be waiting for a long tome, Wynonie. In fact, you'll probably see Stanley in the Premiership before anyone comes up with one sound reason as to why the UK should remain a member of the "common market".

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

But that makes no sense at all.

He has joined, and made two posts this year, one of which was oddly written in the third person.

You can't have it both ways.

Either he uses the medium that is Accy Web, to say what he wants, or he doesn't, and he has...twice.

And how many posts were deleted by the mods because of foul personal abuse, that's a good enough reason for me

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson

Why should Peter Britcliffe come on Accy Web? I'll give you a reason, He's the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council, and he gets well paid for being the leader.

I noticed you haven't commented on the fact that when you joined AW you did it in a preempted way so as to try and con the members in a dog and pony show, purely to try and score cheap political points