Same Sex Marriages.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I didn't say I was impartial. I have my views...you don't have to share them.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It just seems that he losing popularity and looks to outsiders(I am an outsider) like a vote catching ploy. Maybe it is the cynic in me...I have run out of my anti-cynicism pills...must get some more tomorrow.

I don't think Obama did a great job ... but, given what GWB left him, and the mess the economy was in, and the two unwinnable wars, etc. ... he did ok. Maybe folks expected miracles from him because he was black. The miracle was that a black man actually made it into the White House. That says positive things about him, and also about Americans in general. But even with your cynicism about politicians, he has tried to give Americans some of what they want: Health care. And when prompted by events, probably the North Carolina decision to ban gay unions, he didn't take cover behind an impenetrable wall of politcal bs and equivocation, he stated his position. He'll probably win in November, but whether that is because of his record in office, or because of the split in the Republican party is open to debate. He's getting lots of cash support: The banquet fundraiser at George Clooney's mansion alone brought in millions. And I know a lot of moderate Republicas might not vote because they are afraid of the growing power of the lunatic right. He's got some catchy slogans: "Bin Laden's Dead: General Motors Isn't"

[Margaret Pilkington]

That confirms it then Eric...it is the cynic in me...I'll get the double strength version.
I think many of theBritish electorate are jaundiced about politics and politicians - maybe that has more than a little to do with how we have been sold down the river......told we could have a referendum on the EU.......promised we would have a chance to reform the Human Rights fiasco..promised that fees would not rise for higher education.......lots of things...none of which have thus far materialised.
Maybe it is different on that side of the pond.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Eric

I don't think Obama did a great job ... but, given what GWB left him, and the mess the economy was in, and the two unwinnable wars, etc. ... he did ok. Maybe folks expected miracles from him because he was black. The miracle was that a black man actually made it into the White House. That says positive things about him, and also about Americans in general. But even with your cynicism about politicians, he has tried to give Americans some of what they want: Health care. And when prompted by events, probably the North Carolina decision to ban gay unions, he didn't take cover behind an impenetrable wall of politcal bs and equivocation, he stated his position. He'll probably win in November, but whether that is because of his record in office, or because of the split in the Republican party is open to debate. He's getting lots of cash support: The banquet fundraiser at George Clooney's mansion alone brought in millions. And I know a lot of moderate Republicas might not vote because they are afraid of the growing power of the lunatic right. He's got some catchy slogans: "Bin Laden's Dead: General Motors Isn't"

I agree, Eric, whatever his faults, he's miles better than the clown they had in before (remember, the one who Blair trotted behind like a little poodle). In particular, he should be given credit for attempting to set up a universal system of healthcare. The fact that he and others are derided as some kind of extreme socialist radicals for attempting to do says a lot about the values of the USA. The majority of British people regard an NHS as one of the prerequisites of a civillised democracy, yet it's seen as some sort of subversive measure by the American Right. I'd vote for him if I lived over there!

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I agree, Eric, whatever his faults, he's miles better than the clown they had in before (remember, the one who Blair trotted behind like a little poodle). In particular, he should be given credit for attempting to set up a universal system of healthcare. The fact that he and others are derided as some kind of extreme socialist radicals for attempting to do says a lot about the values of the USA. The majority of British people regard an NHS as one of the prerequisites of a civillised democracy, yet it's seen as some sort of subversive measure by the American Right. I'd vote for him if I lived over there!

I have heard that he is a closet Stanley fan, and that a decent season next year might bring him out.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Eric

I have heard that he is a closet Stanley fan, and that a decent season next year might bring him out.

Him and Michelle will be quite welcome on the Clayton End next season with me and Cashy. Might even buy 'em a couple of pies.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

That confirms it then Eric...it is the cynic in me...I'll get the double strength version.
I think many of theBritish electorate are jaundiced about politics and politicians - maybe that has more than a little to do with how we have been sold down the river......told we could have a referendum on the EU.......promised we would have a chance to reform the Human Rights fiasco..promised that fees would not rise for higher education.......lots of things...none of which have thus far materialised.
Maybe it is different on that side of the pond.

Not all that different at all, hon. But Obama is doing the best he can. Remember, his unofficial title as the "most powerful man in the Free World", doesn't take into account that he has to work with a Republican dominated Congress. And don't forget that he is trying to govern a country where millions are two goose steps to the right of Attilla the Hun and who think he is nothing more than an uppity yankee nigger who would look real good swinging from a tree.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

That confirms it then Eric...it is the cynic in me...I'll get the double strength version.
I think many of theBritish electorate are jaundiced about politics and politicians - maybe that has more than a little to do with how we have been sold down the river......told we could have a referendum on the EU.......promised we would have a chance to reform the Human Rights fiasco..promised that fees would not rise for higher education.......lots of things...none of which have thus far materialised.
Maybe it is different on that side of the pond.

You don't vote and proclaim all political parties are useless but seem to have a definite view on the UK economy by your posts supporting the Con-Dem government ..you also seem to have a particular view on the EU and have made it clear on this forum you want out of the union..have you thought of voting for UKIP ?.. just a question.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Him and Michelle will be quite welcome on the Clayton End next season with me and Cashy. Might even buy 'em a couple of pies.

And if he can't make it, just send Michelle. What a foxy lady Oh, and get in touch with the Secret Service so that they can provide a translator, just in case she wants to speak to Cashy. Maybe someone could present her with a flat cap, a whippet and a pair of clogs to take back for the President.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Mancie

What are the EU regulations on same sex marriage ?

You can marry someone of the same sex but must always mark the 'other' box when filling in questionaires about what sex you are.

[Eric]

The late Pierre Trudeau, a Liberal politician I actually admired, once proclaimed that "[the] State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." That about sums up the attitude of the majority of Canadians. And if two people want to get married, what's the problem

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Mancie

You don't vote and proclaim all political parties are useless but seem to have a definite view on the UK economy by your posts supporting the Con-Dem government ..you also seem to have a particular view on the EU and have made it clear on this forum you want out of the union..have you thought of voting for UKIP ?.. just a question.

Mancie...you and I know that what you have posted is tripe, tosh.
I didn't vote at the last General election....and I have outlined the reason for this many times.
Yes, I have views on the UK economy......isn't that something I have in common with many rightminded people? Maybe you don't have the same views but you still have them right?
I did not vote for this governement as you well know......so how does that constitute support for it? The next vote I cast will be for a politician who has core values which reflect mine,who I trust and will do a good job...and it does not matter what flag they go under.....I am not hidebound by party political dogma.

And having posted this, all before, on other threads at other times...you know this. you are just being contentious(and I am being patient - but it is wearing thin)...as usual.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Him and Michelle will be quite welcome on the Clayton End next season with me and Cashy. Might even buy 'em a couple of pies.

What about a pint in Oakleigh before the game Wyn

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Mancie...you and I know that what you have posted is tripe, tosh.
I didn't vote at the last General election....and I have outlined the reason for this many times.
Yes, I have views on the UK economy......isn't that something I have in common with many rightminded people? Maybe you don't have the same views but you still have them right?
I did not vote for this governement as you well know......so how does that constitute support for it? The next vote I cast will be for a politician who has core values which reflect mine,who I trust and will do a good job...and it does not matter what flag they go under.....I am not hidebound by party political dogma.

And having posted this, all before, on other threads at other times...you know this. you are just being contentious(and I am being patient - but it is wearing thin)...as usual.

Thought you'd realise by now everything Mancie posts is tripe.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Thought you'd realise by now everything Mancie posts is tripe.

Some of your posts are pretty offal