Same Sex Marriages.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Less

and yet they talk to me as if THEY are experts!

I'd like to do some more study into the subject with the possible option of practical demonstrations, but can't seem to find any expert les's to show me.

[gynn]

There seem to be last ditch attempts by Conservative back benchers to postpone this week's vote on gay marriages. It seems that they fear people will not vote Conservative at the next election.

So who will these people vote for? Labour? No. They support gay marriage. Liberal Democrat? No. They support gay marriage even more than Labour.

What does that leave? UKIP? Well yes, they have opportunistically declared themselves against gay marriage. But what in God's name has Britains future economic stability got to do with who you are lying next to when you switch off the lights?

The truth is that these people are simply homophobic, and are hiding their prejudices behind a contrived shield of respectability. Let's hope nobody is taken in by it.

[Margaret Pilkington]

No, I am not homophobic........I do not care who shares a bed with whom...but I am against the redefining of marriage.
This government is making promises it hasn't a hope in hell of keeping. We all know how we Kow-Tow to the edicts from Brussels and the EU. What do you thing the Court of Human Rights will have to say about some vicar not marrying a same sex couple because it goes against his conscience?
Since when have the rights of the few over-ridden the rights of the many...and don't give me that old twaddle about 'Equality' it doesn't wash.
Let same sex couples have some sort of ceremony(I think this already exists - civil partnership)but marriage by definition is the joining of a man and a woman.
Politicians are just using this cynically to catch more votes....and while they are doing this they are NOT dealing with other things that are far more relevant and pressing....we have rampant immigration, we have economic woes that seem to be on the back burner(or at last it looks that way to the outsider)....we can't have a vote on the EU until 2017.....but politicians can fiddle around with laws to make same sex marriage a legal statute.
Thanks Gynn, for putting my blood pressure up this early in the morning......and starting my day off with a scowl. Hope your days goes as good as mine has started.
(rant over)

[Margaret Pilkington]

I'll just sit back now and wait for the red stuff to come flying my way.

[Margaret Pilkington]

By labelling people homophobic/racist/bigot, you stifle all further debate on the subject.
But then that is exactly what it is calculated to do.....send any other opinion 'underground'.
I am really glad I am at the bum end of my life.

[MargaretR]

The topic is just a distraction from more serious issues that should be having your attention.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by gynn

There seem to be last ditch attempts by Conservative back benchers to postpone this week's vote on gay marriages. It seems that they fear people will not vote Conservative at the next election.

So who will these people vote for? Labour? No. They support gay marriage. Liberal Democrat? No. They support gay marriage even more than Labour.

What does that leave? UKIP? Well yes, they have opportunistically declared themselves against gay marriage. But what in God's name has Britain's future economic stability got to do with who you are lying next to when you switch off the lights?

The truth is that these people are simply homophobic, and are hiding their prejudices behind a contrived shield of respectability. Let's hope nobody is taken in by it.

I can't even see why this is on the political agenda myself, as far as I'm concerned what matters is that two people, irrespective of the sexual orientation want to get married, why the hell shouldn't they if they want

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

The topic is just a distraction from more serious issues that should be having your attention.

Margaret, you've got that one spot on, or as was once quoted a good time to bury bad news

[gynn]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I can't even see why this is on the political agenda myself, as far as I'm concerned what matters is that two people, irrespective of the sexual orientation want to get married, why the hell shouldn't they if they want

Exactly, jaysay. It needs to be voted on in Parliament, because its a change to the law.

But for once, Boris Johnstone has got it spot on. Let's just whack it through and get on with the more important things we should be worrying about.

[Margaret Pilkington]

By whacking it through, no thought is given to the implications for the future...and also the voice of dissenters is not being heard.
I agree with you Margaret...it is a distraction ploy that takes our attention from things that should be being addressed. are more important, and will impact on more of the population.
But this is an 'easy fix' not as fraught with difficulties as some of the other issues.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I can't even see why this is on the political agenda myself, as far as I'm concerned what matters is that two people, irrespective of the sexual orientation want to get married, why the hell shouldn't they if they want

John, homosexuals have had the option of civil partnerships...which gives them the legal protection they said they wanted...and that is fine with me.
I am not against them having some sort of ceremony in any religious establishment that wishes to host such ceremonies.....but do not call it 'marriage' because it can never be that. Marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I can't even see why this is on the political agenda myself, as far as I'm concerned what matters is that two people, irrespective of the sexual orientation want to get married, why the hell shouldn't they if they want

A few people in this Country are still Christian and still believe in God. Have a little read of the Bible and you will know why some people believe what they do about gay marriage.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Neil

A few people in this Country are still Christian and still believe in God. Have a little read of the Bible and you will know why some people believe what they do about gay marriage.

and although i dont believe in god i dont see why a persons religion should alter to suit others.As i have said before if a particular religions rules dont suit you and you dont agree with its rules then sod off and find a religion that does suit you.Should the christian faith strike murder off its not to do list because a murderer dosnt want to give up murdering people but wants to go to church with a clean concience?

i know its an extreeme example but if a few muslims decided they liked bacon could you see government getting involved and telling the muslim population and clerics that they have to allow the eating of pork products?The whole thing has nothing to do with government and they should keep their beaks out.

Let the religous have their little gang and anyone who differs in opinion go do something else.

i no defender of the church i think its a backward ogranisation full of hypocracey and corruption but what irks me is yet again a small minority of a group of people have decided that things must change to suit them.

[gynn]

Originally Posted by Neil

A few people in this Country are still Christian and still believe in God. Have a little read of the Bible and you will know why some people believe what they do about gay marriage.

Isn't that the whole point for many gay people wanting to get married? They are Christian, believe in God and want their union blessed in God's name.

I'll pass on discussing what it says in the Bible or we'll be back to defending slavery and murdering children who misbehave.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by gynn

Isn't that the whole point for many gay people wanting to get married? They are Christian, believe in God and want their union blessed in God's name.

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and thats my point they arnt been good christians because they are breaking the rules so should either stop been homosexual which is in no way going to happen or find a faith that accepts homosexuality.What they shouldnt do is tweak the rules so they can be good christians.

i was cursed with christianity against my will by my parents when i was a child and unable to object but as i have broken most of teh rules and enjoyed doing so iv stayed away from churches.What i havnt done is kick up a fuss demanding the church change its requirements so that i can attend with a clear concience.

Originally Posted by gynn

I'll pass on discussing what it says in the Bible or we'll be back to defending slavery and murdering children who misbehave.

and the many other things that make the whole thing a farce