Same Sex Marriages.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by annesingleton

I don't agree with you or any of the arguments, I just think that if people of any persuasion feel a need to marry then they should be able to do so.
If the Church of England allow gay vicars then they should allow gay marriage.
As I've said before, I think the commitment is far more important than the marriage.
Speaking personally, I was married for nearly thirty years. I've been with my current partner for eight years (unmarried) and I'm far more committed to him than I ever was to my ex husband.

BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - Moral Maze, Gay Marriage

Fair comment - I just turned on Radio 4 and they are having this debate in the Moral Maze!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

As for marriage, it is a matter of personal choice

No, it isn't.

Which is presumably why Cameron seems set on wanting it to be everyone's choice.

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by garinda

From what I can make of the results, people seem to have differing thoughts on the government's plans.

What is your thinking on the subject, that you see reflected in the poll result?

Perhaps it's me, but it seems that you haven't made your own view very clear.

With your last, quoted sentence, is your conclusion that happy families don't necessarily need a married couple at it's core?

Some people choose marriage, some don't.

So marriage really makes no real difference, when it comes to forming healthy, secure, happy relationships?

I firmly believe in marriage between male and female, whether in church or not. Marriage is not a relationship to be entered into lightly by anyone, nor is the begatting of children. Civil partnerships are adequately suited to same sex relationships and should remain so.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Stumped

nor is the begatting of children.

Goodness me it must be Sunday, I haven't heard of a child being begat for such a long time.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Stumped

I firmly believe in marriage between male and female, whether in church or not. Marriage is not a relationship to be entered into lightly by anyone, nor is the begatting of children. Civil partnerships are adequately suited to same sex relationships and should remain so.

Fair enough.

Though when arriving at your conclusion, regarding this poll's result, by saying this, you do rather seem to contradict yourself.

Originally Posted by Stumped

they deserve to be brought up in a proper stable environment - hence a mum and a dad, irrespective of whether or not they are married.

People can have a happy, stable, family unit, irrespective as to whether two people happen to be married in the eyes of the law.

Your views do seem rather muddled.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Stumped

Marriage is not a relationship to be entered into lightly by anyone

But people do.

They use churches as a nice background for their expensive photographs, of their Big, Fat, Gypsy Wedding.

Many maried people split up, according to statistics, while they're still paying for their 'dream day'...a couple of years later.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

Goodness me it must be Sunday, I haven't heard of a child being begat for such a long time.

Don't be too harsh.

Some people like to keep to the old traditions.

They probably still label the young tots, born outside of lawful wedlock, as 'little bastards'.

It takes all sorts.

Live, and let live.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Stumped

Civil partnerships are adequately suited to same sex relationships and should remain so.

So, in your poll, you voted for the 'Stick to civil partnerships' option?

[gynn]

It strikes me that opponents of "same sex" marriage are concerned at the diluting of the word "marriage"

But hasn't our language already diluted the word marriage? We have 'loveless' marriages, 'sham' marriages and even 'shotgun' marriages.

Same sex marriages will become accepted in time, but I'm intrigued to think of how the first "shotgun same sex" marriage will arise!

[Margaret Pilkington]

You might have a sham marriage, a loveless marriage, a shotgum marriage.

I have been married to my husband for 45 years....marriage is like all things.....it takes work to keep it going.

It doesn't need fixing because it isn't broken....and in any case would you trust a politician to fix something?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by gynn

It strikes me that opponents of "same sex" marriage are concerned at the diluting of the word "marriage"

But hasn't our language already diluted the word marriage? We have 'loveless' marriages, 'sham' marriages and even 'shotgun' marriages.

Same sex marriages will become accepted in time, but I'm intrigued to think of how the first "shotgun same sex" marriage will arise!

I happened to read one of last week's Daily Mails, this afternoon.

It was full of the outraged hyperbole you'd come to expect from Paul Dacre, it's very Catholic, and very Conservative, both very definitely capitalised, editor.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

Don't be too harsh.

Some people like to keep to the old traditions.

They probably still label the young tots, born outside of lawful wedlock, as 'little bastards'.

It takes all sorts.

Live, and let live.

I'm not being harsh, I just think that when people start talking like the Old Testament it should be compulsory that they have a sign saying, "Beware Of The Zealot", hanging on their garden gate.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

I'm not being harsh, I just think that when people start talking like the Old Testament it should be compulsory that they have a sign saying, "Beware Of The Zealot", hanging on their garden gate.

I suppose some take the word of God so seriously, they'd like to see the heir to the throne of England, stoned to death as an adulterer. As the holy Bible tells us is the punishment for that crime, in Deuteronomy chapter 22, verse 22.

Though I still say live, and let live.

Even the Prince of Wales.

Future Head of the Church of England.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

they'd like to see the heir to the throne of England, stoned

Are we back on the, 'legalise illegal drugs', thread?
:0

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by garinda

So, in your poll, you voted for the 'Stick to civil partnerships' option?

That'd be telling. My conclusions are that the issues surrounding the question of same sex marriage are muddled and inconclusive. One thing is clear though: religion (unless you are a muslim) seems to play a much lesser part in society than it ever did in my formative years. As it is, I'm too long in the tooth to care any more.