School Beards. - Page 7

DaveinGermany · 12-10-2013, 06:54

Back down on Human rights grounds? Lifted from this mornings "Torygraph".

Bearded Muslim schoolboys barred from class allowed to return because of human rights - Telegraph

DaveinGermany · 12-10-2013, 06:56

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Originally Posted by Restless

id say i gave a crap just as much as if all the brown lads grew beards because mo had... crap thread has run its course

Oooh!! Who's a proper grumpy Bear this morning "R"?

Restless · 12-10-2013, 07:05

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Oooh!! Who's a proper grumpy Bear this morning "R"?

You caught me!

Yah. Been listening to wind chimes or something like it out back for the best part of 8 hours...

JCB · 12-10-2013, 07:08

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Originally Posted by DAV007

surprise surprise he is a labour councillor

Councillors - Munsif Dad

Yes , and for the Hyndburn Council ward of Spring Hill , where I live , and for the LCC ward of Accrington West .

I look forward to speaking to him if he comes knocking on my door asking for my support when he is next up for re-election .

Reading between the lines , I think that the school governors were prepared to stand by their policy , having had the pupils taught in isolation and then excluding them from the school and not allowing them to return unless they were clean shaven .

Why the U - turn ? I am sure that the intervention of the Bishop of Salford , within whose diocese Accrington is situated , has been crucial .

From the BBC website I quote : " The Bishop of Salford advised governors to work with the Islamic community and "support boys who are genuinely and fully committed to their faith".

It's fine for the bishop to start dictating from his ivory tower in Wardley Hall , Worsley , but this mess is just playing into the hands of such as are to be found in the BNP and EDL , and this whole business can have done nothing but harm to relations within the school and to the morale of the staff and governors .

Not a very happy situation .

Margaret Pilkington · 12-10-2013, 07:49

so...now this schools uniform policy has been shot to pieces by these boys...how long will it be before some boys or girls flout the uniform/dress/behaviour policy by going to school with blue hair..or a wild haircut...and thy cite some bit of ECHR policy and are allowed to get away with it?

When these muslim boys first joined the school, they would have been made aware of uniform/behaviour policy...but I guess at 11 the parents didn't think of the hairy faces they might have in a few short years time.
They should have been told to move schools...to schools which feel comfortable with such things.
This decision undermines the authority of the school and its governors.

cashman · 12-10-2013, 07:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

so...now this schools uniform policy has been shot to pieces by these boys...how long will it be before some boys or girls flout the uniform/dress/behaviour policy by going to school with blue hair..or a wild haircut...and thy cite some bit of ECHR policy and are allowed to get away with it?

When these muslim boys first joined the school, they would have been made aware of uniform/behaviour policy...but I guess at 11 the parents didn't think of the hairy faces they might have in a few short years time.
They should have been told to move schools...to schools which feel comfortable with such things.
This decision undermines the authority of the school and its governors.

Agree 100%, according to JCB, seems the Bishop Of Salford has had a hand in this?

Redraine · 12-10-2013, 09:14

How ironic that the new Muslim faith academy somewhere down south, which was featured on Newsnight yesterday, insists that all it's female teachers of all faiths must now wear head covering! These are the school rules. What chance do you think of their "human rights" being supported by the EU busybodies?

Margaret Pilkington · 12-10-2013, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Redraine

How ironic that the new Muslim faith academy somewhere down south, which was featured on Newsnight yesterday, insists that all it's female teachers of all faiths must now wear head covering! These are the school rules. What chance do you think of their "human rights" being supported by the EU busybodies?

Absolutely none......which is why it is so galling. There is only take...no give...and they do not tolerate any faith but their own.

Similarly a school in Derby had these rules too....I'm sure that I read that Ofsted had stepped in and closed it..althought they did say it was 'temporary'.

yerself · 12-10-2013, 10:39

They could move to this school in Blackburn, which seems to arrange its holidays around the muslim calendar, rather than the traditional way.

Eid means shutdown for Blackburn school (From Lancashire Telegraph)

JCB · 12-10-2013, 10:40

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Originally Posted by cashman

Agree 100%, according to JCB, seems the Bishop Of Salford has had a hand in this?

On the BBC News website the head of Mount Carmel , Mr Bowers , is quoted as saying : " The Bishop of Salford advised governors to work with the Islamic community and "support boys who are genuinely and fully committed to their faith" " .

I fail to see what the European Convention of Human Rights has to do with .

In France and in Belgium the wearing of the burqa is banned in public places . I am not aware that the French or the Belgians are having problems with the European Convention of Human Rights because of this ban .

I do not see why we should have problems with the ECHR because of a ban on school children growing beards .

This issue should never have arisen in the first place .

There are various traditions in Islam as there are in Christianity . Some Muslims quote the words of Mohammad , not found in the Quran , that Muslim males should grow beards . I respect the beliefs of these Muslims in this matter . When the school was first faced with this issue , the governors should have consulted leading Muslims to clarify the matter . Having discovered that some Muslims do grow beards for religious reasons , out of respect for the beliefs of those Muslim pupils who adhere to these beliefs , they should have adapted their policy on dress and appearance to allow for this. This is now the policy of the school . With a little bit of foresight this hoo-ha need never have arisen .

I know it is easy to be wise after the event . That is why I still hold to the view that , while the dress and appearance code of the school stated that pupils be clean shaven , all pupils should have been made to abide by that code , even though that code should have been changed when it was discovered that it conflicted with the religious beliefs of some of the pupils .

"Well, here's another fine mess you've gotten me into."

Barrie Yates · 12-10-2013, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

so...now this schools uniform policy has been shot to pieces by these boys...how long will it be before some boys or girls flout the uniform/dress/behaviour policy by going to school with blue hair..or a wild haircut...and thy cite some bit of ECHR policy and are allowed to get away with it?

When these muslim boys first joined the school, they would have been made aware of uniform/behaviour policy...but I guess at 11 the parents didn't think of the hairy faces they might have in a few short years time.
They should have been told to move schools...to schools which feel comfortable with such things.
This decision undermines the authority of the school and its governors.

Facial jewellery, Goth make-up and clothing, pupils able to wear what they like, Crucifix and Star of David necklaces, Muslim females allowed to wear burkhas etc - where is it going to end?