Serves him right... - Page 3

garinda · 08-01-2007, 11:35

The born and bred comment was in answer to my comment.

He was refering I think to my right, not some sweeping comment about the rights of legal citizens worldwide to pass comment on the country in which they live. For one thing it would mean Arnie would have to stand down as Governor of California.

WillowTheWhisp · 08-01-2007, 11:38

Wasn't the distinction being made between legal and illegal immigrants? The legal immigrants are also pretty cheesed off at the illegal immigrants demanding rights, The legal ones have rights just as much as anyone born and bred in the country but the illegal immigrants should have no rights when they haven't even got the right to be there (similarly with the ones here)

People born and bred in a country see the illegals demanding rights and it backfires on all immigrants which then causes more racial disharmony.

LancYorkYankee · 08-01-2007, 18:29

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Originally Posted by garinda

The born and bred comment was in answer to my comment.

He was refering I think to my right, not some sweeping comment about the rights of legal citizens worldwide to pass comment on the country in which they live. For one thing it would mean Arnie would have to stand down as Governor of California.

Absolutely spot on Rindy! That's why I put the born and bred in quotations. In the U.S., they're are few, myself including that are "true" Yankees. Now my wife's family is as they "came over on the Mayflower." Merely a term to signify a long American heritage.

Also very well said Willow! The distinction is soley on whether one is here legal, citizen or not, or has come in illegally!

Brian

Wynonie Harris · 08-01-2007, 20:57

There are an estimated 11,500,000 illegal immigrants in your country. Do you seriously think that if they were all shipped back to wherever they come from, it wouldn't have an effect on your economy?

Dream on.

LancYorkYankee · 08-01-2007, 23:59

That's a swell guestimate Wynie. The stats' I've seen are ~6 million. As for sending everyone of them home, I must apologize. Cause indeed I would not propose sending them ALL back. However, there is a 10 - 20% element that I, and most of the Legal Immigrants, would indeed send back.

Let's just start with the many of these who are constantly involve with criminal activity. Yeah the 2 evil gangs that have come in, but also the many who are repeatedly breaking the laws. Just in this community, every week the police blotters show a large number arrested for drunk driving, speeding, drug possesion, assault, public intoxication, loitering, robberies, operating vehicles without a licence, and/or no registration, insurance, etc.

Wynonie Harris · 09-01-2007, 00:18

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

Cause indeed I would not propose sending them ALL back. However, there is a 10 - 20% element that I, and most of the Legal Immigrants, would indeed send back.

OK, I would agree with you on that. In fact, I was recently arguing on here that asylum seekers to the UK who were involved in criminal activitiy should be sent back to their countries of origin, whether they were dangerous or not.

But that means, presumably, that you are happy for 80-90% of illegals to stay. Surely if they are going to stay, their status should be legitimised (which, I believe, is what they were marching about)? That way, at least the government could start collecting taxes off 'em!

LancYorkYankee · 09-01-2007, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

OK, I would agree with you on that. In fact, I was recently arguing on here that asylum seekers to the UK who were involved in criminal activitiy should be sent back to their countries of origin, whether they were dangerous or not.

But that means, presumably, that you are happy for 80-90% of illegals to stay. Surely if they are going to stay, their status should be legitimised (which, I believe, is what they were marching about)? That way, at least the government could start collecting taxes off 'em!

No, I'm not happy with that many staying. There' is another percentage who take advantage of the free health care that our Hospitals must offer anyone who enters (thus raising rates for the rest of us). Then they must all be allowed to go to public schools regardless of their Illegal status (our school system has an estimated 400 of these children attending our schools). This is one reason we have to build another high school and yet another elementary school!

With an ALL welcome policy, and no threat of being exported, the problems mentioned about have become worse and worse each year. My first desire is for the Government to do SOMETHING!

Brian

Ianto.W. · 09-01-2007, 00:57

Iv'e just woke up look at all the fun iv'e missed (must be the painkillers), just one question, by Latinos does this mean Mexicans (wetbacks)?, I believe Castro did the dirty on the USA by emptying the jails and sending them over, I assume these people would have to be legalised, these professional criminals according to the All Puchino film 'Scarface'about the subject, control the drug trade along with the Columbians who produce the stuff. This must be a major contributing factor to the high crime rate, sooner or later will not there have to be some form of legalisation of the 'Latinos', as they are trapped in a catch 22 situation as were the cuban deportees, and cannot return 'home', forgive my ignorance i'm just curious.

steeljack · 09-01-2007, 02:14

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

There are an estimated 11,500,000 illegal immigrants in your country. Do you seriously think that if they were all shipped back to wherever they come from, it wouldn't have an effect on your economy?

Dream on.

Wynonie , you answer your own question , "an estimated 11.500.000 illegal immigrants in your country" .....yep thats correct ...ILLEGAL....the folks are breaking the law , no one has a problem with political asylum seekers or war refugees, the simple matter is the illegals in question are economic migrants and most 'born and bred' and naturalized citizens think these folks should get in line with everyone else and wait their turn, not jump the line, we had an amnesty 20 something years ago where illegals of all nationalities were legalized, but now 20 years later the situation is still not solved .
You mention the 'illegals' do work that regular americans wont do , wrong , I admit that lots do lower paid jobs , but you have to remember these were jobs previously done by unskilled americans both black and white , America once had a manufacturing base and there were jobs for everyone, now the manufacturing jobs have gone east through corporate greed (good luck trying to find a "made in America" label on anything)the unskilled americans are out on a limb and inner cities have become war zones, and the black american has suffered the most .

Wynonie Harris · 09-01-2007, 08:48

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

There' is another percentage who take advantage of the free health care that our Hospitals must offer anyone who enters (thus raising rates for the rest of us). Then they must all be allowed to go to public schools regardless of their Illegal status (our school system has an estimated 400 of these children attending our schools). This is one reason we have to build another high school and yet another elementary school!

Well, surely if they were legalised, they'd have to contribute something towards their healthcare and education, via taxes? At the moment, you're getting the worst of both worlds. And, Steeljack, if all 11,500,000 (or whatever the figure is) illegals were deported, are there really enough indigenous workers who will happily become waiters, dishwashers, maids, gardeners and parking lot attendants? I must admit, I don't know the US unemployment figures, so perhaps there are.

Most important of all though, Ianto, if myself and Mrs H ever drop round to your place for chilled merlot and vol au vonts, whatever you do, don't call her a "wetback". The last person who did that in a pub in Manchester a few years ago was treated to a formidable display of Latin temperament!

WillowTheWhisp · 09-01-2007, 08:50

We were once in a long queue of traffic waiting to get into Knowsley Safari Park. Most of us were in an orderly queue in the left had lane of traffic moving very slowly. Some people were driving past us in the right hand lane - this lane was for local traffic to get along the road and not be held up by that Safari park queue. BUT some people aiming for the Safari Park were also going down the right hand lane and then at the gates they were trying to push into the queue. This wasn't going down too well with the peole who had wated patiently in the queue, neither was it going down too well with the local traffic now being held up by the second queue which was forming at the gates in the wrong lane. The whole road was getting blocked. Until along came a police man to sort out the mess.

The people trying to push into the queue from the right hand lane demanded their 'right' to be let in and insisted the the policemen should force the cars in the legitimate queue to make gaps so that every other car was from each side - this would have cleard the jam and allowed the local traffic to flow freely again. This would have please the locals and pleased the 'illegals' but the idea would not have been too popular with the people who had patiently queue for longer than these so loudly demanding what they felt was their right.

The policeman didn't take long to reach a decision. The right hand lane, he said, was for traffic going past the Safari Park and so all traffic in that lane must continue on past the Safari Park and down to the roundabout, where they could turn round and come back up the other side and get to the back of the legitmate queue! The illegals were none to chuffed. They ended up further back than they would have been if they'd waited their turn in the first place but we felt that the policeman had acted wisely and justly.

What has this little story got to do with illegal immigrants? In my opinion they should be trated the same way. Why should they think they have any rights when they push in ahead of those doing it the correct and legal way?

WillowTheWhisp · 09-01-2007, 08:51

Doesn't 'Latino' cover Puerto Rico as well?

Wynonie Harris · 09-01-2007, 08:56

It covers everywhere from Mexico to the bottom of South America.

Ianto.W. · 09-01-2007, 13:21

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Wynonie Harris, Most important of all though, Ianto, if myself and Mrs H ever drop round to your place for chilled merlot and vol au vonts, whatever you do, don't call her a "wetback". The last person who did that in a pub in Manchester a few years ago was treated to a formidable display of Latin temperament!

Your good lady and yourself Wynonie have my profound apologies, it must be the result of watching to many American films, by the way my Merlot is served at room temperature and you are both welcome anytime, again my apologies. regards Ian.

WillowTheWhisp · 09-01-2007, 13:31

Slight thread wandery bit of musing here.

Latin = Romans = Italy

Mexico/South America etc = Latino BUT those countries have Spanish and Portuguese rather than Italian connections.