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slinky · 03-03-2005, 09:41

Do a poll on this one and see?? because I bet i'm not in a minority on this one. And as for would it do any good beating her up or would people feel better, Can't answer that, but would be able to if I ever come face to face with her.

slinky · 03-03-2005, 09:46

But then again probably not a good idea to name and shame in this country, it would cost too much. Because they would name and shame them then put them into hiding too, because do gooders are more hell bent on protecting the pedophiles and leaving the kids to fend for themselves.

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 09:52

>> what about the girls?? what about the family?? will they ever live in peace??<<

Clearly not, as long as there are people like you who insist on compounding their misery by incessantly harping on about it.

slinky · 03-03-2005, 10:00

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>> what about the girls?? what about the family?? will they ever live in peace??<<

Clearly not, as long as there are people like you who insist on compounding their misery by incessantly harping on about it.

Oh BOB it's happened in my family too............it's happened in nearly every family, and if there was more people like ME!! I think the numbers would dwindle because I am not affraid to voice my opinion on the matter and will always stand up for what I believe in. So yeah lets brush it all under the carpet and pretend it never happened in my family too eh? no I don't think so people have to realise this happens more times than people realise but ''people don't want to talk about it''.

vorlon24 · 03-03-2005, 10:14

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There can be no argument that it is not wrong for an adult to use a child for sexual gratification, just as there can be no argument that such individuals should not suffer the full penalty of the law on conviction. Living as we do, in a Country which according to the census describes itself as 70% Christian, places ethical obligations upon us. Firstly, we are required to forgive the transgressor, Secondly we are required to permit the transgressor to get on with his life once he has shown remorse and made some form of restitution or recompense. And that should be an end of it!

While I agree with some of the points you have made, I cannot agree with the part I have used here.

If I found out that anyone had done anything to my children, there would be no forgiveness. How can you forgive anyone who would do something like that to your children? They are not in a position to refuse, and even if they did, an adult's strength is far more than that of a child.

I understand that a lot of victims want to forget and get on with their lives, but for the sake of the safety of our children, we can't just sweep things like this under the carpet.

However painful it may be, people need to know that these things happen, and a spell in prison won't change someone's sexual appetite (for want of a better word).

How many times have you heard about sex offenders who serve time and go and do the same thing again?

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 10:18

Ahhh, that's more like it! Now that we have dispensed with the tabloid phraseology we can perhaps have a reasoned and sensible discussion.

Nobody is suggesting that that we should all pretend it doesn't happen or that it should be brushed under the carpet. it is far too serious a problem for that. But I do think that a lot of abuse take place because of the way that we order our society. One of the things that you find rarely discussed when this matter comes up is what are the motivating factors in abuse, particularly in that committed by family members.

rockrabbit · 03-03-2005, 10:21

Would attacking her actually ease the suffering of the children's families? Would it actually do any good?[/QUOTE]
If it was your child then im sure you d be after her blood and anyone else who had the slightest involvement . I personally think them bulger killers should never have been released . They might have been young at the time but they have to be mentally unstable in the first place and now they are free to live a new life and put it behind them pity jamie bulgers parents will never be able to . I d hunt them down for the rest of my life

slinky · 03-03-2005, 10:24

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Ahhh, that's more like it! Now that we have dispensed with the tabloid phraseology we can perhaps have a reasoned and sensible discussion.

Nobody is suggesting that that we should all pretend it doesn't happen or that it should be brushed under the carpet. it is far too serious a problem for that. But I do think that a lot of abuse take place because of the way that we order our society. One of the things that you find rarely discussed when this matter comes up is what are the motivating factors in abuse, particularly in that committed by family members.

Agreed!! I have no Idea why this happens A-B, I would say I wish I knew why it happens, but then I would have the mind of a pervert would'nt I?
Is it power/ control freaks I don't know to be honest why they do it and what sick kicks they get out of it, it disgustes me no end and makes me feel sick thinking about it. Children are such inocent little things, who gives anyone the right to tamper with this. SICK!!

slinky · 03-03-2005, 10:30

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Originally Posted by rockrabbit

Would attacking her actually ease the suffering of the children's families? Would it actually do any good?

If it was your child then im sure you d be after her blood and anyone else who had the slightest involvement . I personally think them bulger killers should never have been released . They might have been young at the time but they have to be mentally unstable in the first place and now they are free to live a new life and put it behind them pity jamie bulgers parents will never be able to . I d hunt them down for the rest of my life [/QUOTE]
Rabbit speaking as a mother.......DAMN RIGHT. It is a mothers instinct to protect her kids no matter how much.. right til the end, it isn't something we can control, it is just there. Nature intended us to have it, and if anyone EVER hurt one of my children, Damn right for the rest of my living days I would be after blood!!

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 10:34

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While I agree with some of the points you have made, I cannot agree with the part I have used here.

But, like it or not, that is what Christianity insists that we must do, the prime example being Christ's own words on the cross.

Because none of us are perfect, we are all capable of making mistakes. Most of us are able to regonise our actions as wrong and are willing to express remorse and a determination not to make the same mistake again. In such cases I really do not see a problem with offering the offender a second chance and the opportunity to take part in society again.

The major problem, as I see it, is in dealing with people who go beyond the pale and express no remorse for their actions or who do not recognise the need to express remorse, and in this respect the case of Sydney Cooper has been raised.

If the test of whether a person is fit to rejoin society or not is the sincere expression of remorse, then Cooper would still be locked up.

slinky · 03-03-2005, 10:44

As I hear what you are saying A-B, my own feelings are very much different to Gods and thats why I am not god. If someone hurt or ever abused one of my children, I could not forget, I could not forgive, and yes given the chance I would kill them and happily do time for it. Even if they applogised ever hour of every day it still does not hide the fact that the thoughts were in the persons head in the first place. You cannot change who you are so how can they find children appealing one day (that sickens me to actually type that) and not the next, what changes?? Persoanlly I think it is always their!! LURKING in the back of the mind how ever much they say they are sorry and would never do it again!! til one day they have the urge again.

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 10:44

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If it was your child then im sure you d be after her blood and anyone else who had the slightest involvement .

Not being a parent myself it is not easy to answer this one, but I would generally agree that a simple prison sentence would not suffice, no matter how long it was. But then as an agrieved parent I can see that my judgement on the matter might be skewed.
This by no means would permit the rest of society to indulge in a witch hunt on my behalf, nor would it justify it. Indeed I would expect society to act as a brake on any natural impulse for vengeance, not to take the misfortune as a cue to gather in the streets baying for blood.

vorlon24 · 03-03-2005, 10:52

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But, like it or not, that is what Christianity insists that we must do, the prime example being Christ's own words on the cross.

Christianity can insist what it likes.

Remorse after the event is all very well, but the offender can carry on with his/her life as normal. The victim has to live with the consequences, and may never fully recover.

The safety and wellbeing of my children matters more to me than life itself, and I am sure that a lot of parents would feel the same way.

If someone harmed my children in any way, they would do well to stay well away from me

rockrabbit · 03-03-2005, 10:53

No matter what the punishment is the pervert will never get his due . The death sentence is an easy way out and over far to quick , Life in jail is far to cushy . Life in jail should mean a tiny room with nothing but a bucket and a mattress for 24 hours a day Then they might come half way to the hell what the parents would have to go through for the rest of there lives . Also i still believe we should bring back the old laws if you thieve you at least lose a finger it would scare people into living by the law

slinky · 03-03-2005, 10:55

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No matter what the punishment is the pervert will never get his due . The death sentence is an easy way out and over far to quick , Life in jail is far to cushy . Life in jail should mean a tiny room with nothing but a bucket and a mattress for 24 hours a day Then they might come half way to the hell what the parents would have to go through for the rest of there lives . Also i still believe we should bring back the old laws if you thieve you at least lose a finger it would scare people into living by the law

Make that a room full of parents Rabbit and I will agree with you.